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Mark Haslett wrote: Is there anything in this debate that you will not use an “argument of authority” to counter, Steven?
SB replied: So I'm not meant to refer to external sources...
Mark Haslett also wrote: Your errors are so many that it is hard to keep up, but you post without a shred of humility or “I have read…”
SB replied:...but I also should refer to them.
Hm.
Mark Haslett wrote: You have long ago acknowledged that Shakespeare’s contemporaries declared that Venus & Adonis was written under a pen name.
SB replied: I've agreed that Joseph Hall had doubts over Shakespeare's authorship. That isn't proof, it's a suspicion, or an accusation. Mark Haslett wrote: Your entire defense of Shaksper as Shakespeare and of him having an education and of him being a poet is a tapestry of “he could have” and “why couldn’t he have” and “it seems to me”…
SB replied: In 1603, William Shakespeare is named in the patent confirming the creation of The King's Men. Also named in the patent are Henry Condell and John Heminges.
In 1616, William Shakespeare (or Shakspeare) dies in Stratford-Upon-Avon. He names Henry Condell and John Heminges among the beneficiaries of his will.
In 1623, the First Folio is published. Henry Condell and John Heminges explain that they arranged for it to be created to commemorate the memory of William Shakespeare. The man they'd known for years, and who died in Stratford-Upon-Avon, naming them as beneficiaries in his will.
That, to me, is as straight a line of evidence as can reasonably be expected. What is the Oxfordian counter to it? What reasonable counter is there to this? Mark Haslett wrote: But Why Why Why isn’t there any unambiguous primary source evidence that he WAS a writer?
SB replied: See Jonson's public, private and posthumous remarks about Shakespeare in which he varies in his opinion of his writing but never once states or even hints that he wasn't the author.
Mark Haslett wrote: You are a Shakespeare Lit professor, right?
SB replied: No. I took a PhD on Shakespeare's history plays from Edinburgh University, but I'm not currently working in academia.
Mark Haslett wrote: So what would happen to your career if you were to embrace these completely reasonable positions and begin doubting the traditional attribution?
SB replied: In 1915, Einstein published his Theory of General Relativity, which posited a new explanation for gravity which contradicted that of Sir Isaac Newton, and which had held sway for about 300 years, and which seemed to have been proved by the Eddington experiments in 1919 (although they have been criticised as not having been quite as conclusive as they were presented).
Yet much of the scientific establishment rejected Einstein's theory. A book was published in 1931 called "A Hundred Authors Against Einstein", leading to his famous quip "If I was wrong, then one author would have been enough".
More tests were made, and which over and over again proved that Einstein had been corrected. Gradually, it came to be accepted that Newton had been wrong - or not wholly accurate, and his calculations can still be used - and Einstein was right.
Probably as much as any figure in history, Newton was an authority, the living personification of science, and genius itself. Yet the evidence proved that he was wrong, and, while it was resisted, it couldn't be denied.
Let's say that unambiguous evidence that Will of Stratford wasn't the author was discovered. A diary, or a series of letters, or - oh, I don't know. But something that shows that the Stratford Man wasn't the playwright he was assumed to be.
Nearing the end of a career that may have lasted decades, how would older members of the academy react upon being faced with evidence that their career - their life - was based on a lie, or misconception? Almost certainly, and pretty unanimously, with hostility, rejecting the evidence, insisting that it was faked, demanding further testing, etc.
But it would also be one of the most exciting moments in literary history. Whoever found such evidence would become an instant celebrity, able to produce a best-selling book, front a prestigious documentary, tour the lecture circuit, etc.
And the same pattern as with Newton/Einstein would follow. However resistant they were at first, more and more academics would come round. Further evidence would be searched for. Plays would be reassessed. Biographies and articles written. The previous consensus would be overturned.
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