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Mark Haslett wrote: Stratfordian thinking is all clinging to tradition.
SB replied: Not so. Stratfordians have often over-indulged their imagination, and there's a strong case that they've given much ammunition to Alternative Authorship theorists, but there's lots of scholarship too. Mark Haslett wrote: Any Stratfordian has to answer for Joseph Hall who, in his satires of 1595, declares the author of Venus & Adonis is a “cuttlefish” hidden is his own “inky vomiture” who “shifts his fame onto another’s name.”
SB replied: Easily done. Hall didn't believe that Venus & Adonis had been written by William Shakespeare. This isn't proof. It's supposition.
Mark Haslett wrote: Then they need to explain why Thomas Edwards did the same thing in his “Narcissus,” (1595) saying the author of Venus & Adonis is a “masked” author who could not receive his laurels and, furthermore, wears purple-robes which only people of the rank of Earl or higher could wear at the time.
SB replied: "Narcissus" is elliptical, generally felt to allude to Shakespeare in stanza eight, but generally felt to be referring to a different poet in stanza nine. As above, it's pretty tentative stuff.
Mark Haslett wrote: Then they need to explain why Ben Jonson’s assistant Richard Brome wrote lines in his 1638 play “Antipodes” describing Shakespeare as ‘that English Earle, that lov’d a Play and a Player so well’.
SB replied: He didn't. He wrote:
These lads can act the emperors’ lives all over, And Shakespeare’s chronicled histories*to boot†, And were that Caesar*, or that English Earl* That loved a Play and Player so well, now living, I would not be outvied† in my delights. Shakespeare and the unnamed Earl are obviously different people, and there's nothing to prove that the latter is Oxford.
Mark Haslett wrote: How many such references are too many? Again, why would there even be one?
SB replied: The "references", or the ones you've provided, aren't really anything of the kind. And why was it necessary to be so indirect? Members of the nobility weren't really supposed to write popular plays, but it was something to be frowned at rather than outright prohibited.
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