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Mark Haslett wrote: That is no kind of answer. I asked for a source to back up your ludicrous claim.
SB replied: The instances I've mentioned of Jonson's life are a matter of historical record, and Donaldson's biography very well regarded.
Mark Haslett wrote: That is not a reasonable definition of "evidence."
SB replied: It's a perfectly fair one.
Mark Haslett wrote: Hall's claims are evidence that contemporaries of Shakespeare believed the name was a pen name to such a degree that more than one put their belief in print so others could see it.
SB replied: Hall's claims can at best be taken as evidence of his doubt that Will of Stratford wrote Venus & Adonis. They wouldn't be accepted as undeniable proof by any court.
Mark Haslett wrote: Furthermore, the fact that, although Hall's work was popular, no one ever contradicted Hall's claims is evidence that his claims were not controversial to his colleagues.
SB replied: Or perhaps they just didn't believe him and didn't consider his claims worth repeating.
Mark Haslett wrote: But you are a Shakespeare Phd and not a historian. This does not seem to oblige you to the same depth of intellectual curiosity about such matters.
SB replied: Yes, having a PhD in Shakespeare (well, his plays) obviously means I'm not qualified to talk about him, or them.
Mark Haslett wrote: This can account for why every historian and Supreme Court justice who looks seriously at the Shakespeare authorship question
SB replied: I can't speak for the United States, but here in the UK, Alternative Authorship theories are pretty much classed by academics alongside doubts about the moon landing and belief in the Loch Ness Monster.
Mark Haslett wrote: Steven keeps presenting the case as an elliptical leap from some known associations among business partners in the theater and an assumption that there cannot be 2 men in the same business at the same time with the same name.
SB replied: In 1603, William Shakespeare is named alongside Heminges and Condell in the royal patent confirming the creation of The King's Men.
In 1616, William Shakespeare (or Shakespere, or Shakespear - as is conventional for the time, the surname is spelt in a variety of ways) dies in Stratford-Upon-Avon, naming Heminges and Condell in his will.
In 1623, the First Folio is published. In it, Heminges and Condell named Shakespeare as the author of the plays contained within.
What is the Oxfordian rebuttal to this? That the Heminges and Condell (and Richard Burbage, also named in the royal patent of 1603) named in the will of William Shakespeare aren't the same Heminges and Condell listed in the royal patent and the First Folio? It's another monumental coincidence?
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