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Brian Acuff Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 February 2021 Location: United States Posts: 260
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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 3:16am | IP Logged | 1
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I'm currently taking a class in Cybersecurity to hopefully add to my IT skill set. Learned about the NotPetya malware attack in 2017 that pretty much shut down the sea faring business for a couple of weeks which of course was traced to a Russian sponsored hacker group. Other businesses were affected too like banks and even some in Russia.
I'm now reading about the CISA (Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency) on how they help with cyberthreats that anyone can attain assistance. Now I find out that our Sec of Def is having the CISA to stand down on labeling Russia as a Cyberthreat adversary while China and the usual suspects are still on the list.
I'm so god damn tired and still a lot more pissed off than tired. But really, WTF!
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6670
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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 3:29am | IP Logged | 2
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If our loyal ally Russia hacks us, have we really been hacked?
Thank you, GOP.
Lincoln would not be proud.
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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Mark - some relevant history to your comment above: Lincoln had an ally in Czar Alexander II, and Russia even sent her fleet to aid the Union.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 4
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Somewhat different Russia. . . .
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 5
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Of course, however to say Lincoln would be rolling over in his grave when Russia and the US were allies during the time of Lincoln puts things into perspective.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 6
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I think it’s probably the treasonous betrayal of the free world that would upset Lincoln more than any particular reference to any nation.
The hope that any nation, founded on principles, can endure is getting tested once more.
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | 7
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We'll never know will we?
In my opinion, this is a war Ukraine could never have won. The West's munitions stocks are low, despite the statements to the contrary, Europe isn't going to send troops to Ukraine without the US backing them up, and if that happened it would put us in direct confrontation with Russia.
What is the alternative to negotiating an end to the war? More fighting?
Zelensky should have taken the deal negotiated in Istanbul in 2022. He's not going to get terms any better than that now. More men will die, and more territory will be lost.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 8
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Brennon: In my opinion, this is a war Ukraine could never have won.
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Are you posting from somewhere in the future?
Obviously the alternative to capitulation is fighting. Ukraine will have to decide how long it wants to watch Russia pay in blood, shame and infamy for whatever territory it steals from them.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 03 March 2025 at 5:06pm
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Brennan Voboril Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | 9
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The future? I wish I had a time machine.
Ukraine has no agency. Nearly everything it has comes from the West. Just think what a cutoff of ISR would mean. Europe can't replace what the US provides. The writing is on the wall.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 16080
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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 10
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After the fall of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was left as the third-biggest nuclear power on planet Earth, with well over 1000 nuclear warheads in its arsenal. It was not a party to the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) at that point, but agreed to join it ASAP. It subsequently sent those warheads back to Russia for dismantlement as part of a trilateral deal with Russia and the US. The Russians would get the nukes, Ukraine would get assurances of security from the US, Russia and Britain.
Obviously Russia broke the deal above. In that context, I don't think it's difficult to see why Zelensky refused the Istanbul deal (blocking any future membership of Nato and limiting Ukrainian military capabilities), as it would effectively be putting in motion the end of Ukraine. We know Putin can't be trusted to stick to any deal in the long term and if Russia comes for Ukraine in the future, with no NATO membership and with a weakened military, that would be that.
Appeasement of dictators doesn't tend to work very well in the long run.
Yes, Ukraine is reliant on its Western allies to provide munitions, but as a buffer between Russia and the West, this seems like it is in the West's interests. Russia expanding further West and getting a peace deal in exchange is not in the West's interests.
Edited by Peter Martin on 03 March 2025 at 8:12pm
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 11
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I just can’t get past the thought, often raised in these debates, of whether America would give up a couple of states if invaded. If that was the price to end hostilities, with no guarantee that they would not start up again in a few years. Would America do that? Rhetorical
So why should Ukraine? Trumps statement that because Russia had lost a lot of men, it should get some reward is ludicrous. They invaded. They can end this war at any time by simply walking their soldiers back across the border. It’s on them.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2025 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | 12
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Trump is the worst of us, and he brings out the worst in us.
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