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Brennan Voboril
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I wasn't aware of anyone justifying an invasion, or having to be Putler's lawyer. I simply reported what I saw: pro-Ukraine laughing when Ukrainian drones hit Russia, crying when Russian drones hit Ukraine.
If you are asking my opinion, then I will give it to you: I believe Ukraine has been cynically used in a proxy war against Russia, a war those backing Ukraine knew that Ukraine could never win. That's not the first time something like this happened, and it won't be the last. As far as a settlement of the war goes, I believe that diplomacy should settle it. That said, I do not believe diplomacy will settle it, and believe this will be settled on the battlefield.
As far as the "racist" incidents goes, the author of the Forward piece alleges it is far more than just a few drunken football hooligans. There are dozens and dozens of such articles - none of which are Kremlin authored.
What else is there to say?
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Matt Reed
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There is a white nationalist and neo-Nazi problem here in the US that is only exacerbated with the current admin. It’s been rising for decades. There is the same problem in just about every single Western country in the world. There are ethnic, racial and religious divides in Iran, India, Pakistan, Australia, Turkey and China to name but a few. And yes, those same dangerous nationalist, religious divides are prevalent in Russia. That, in no way, should be a pretext for war.
Let’s be clear here; Putin has wanted former Soviet territory to be a part of Russia for a very, very long time. Whatever pretext he gives, whatever rationale he chooses to sell his invasion and the deaths of millions to the West, it’s not because of a neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine. Those are all lies. He doesn’t spend a minute worrying about it. It’s about bringing the Soviet Union back to its former “glory”. Full stop. Any other handwringing used to justify the war here and elsewhere is doing his work for him.
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Brennan Voboril
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I'm not sure Putin ever said that Matt. Rather, I believe he is said to have said that.
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Peter Martin
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Stop the sophistry please, Brennan.
Your Israeli articles are irrelevant unless you are trying to provide a justification for the invasion of Ukraine. If you're not trying to provide that justification, feel free to condemn the invasion as an illegal attack on sovereignty.
If Ukraine had been manipulated into starting a war with Russia, then your claim it has been used in a proxy war against Russia would have some possible basis in reason. Given Russia is the antagonist and first took Crimea, which the West tried its best to ignore, then invaded further, which no one could ignore, it's axomiatic that Russia are the unacceptable aggressor.
As for why a country's people might cry at their own people being killed and support attacks against their invader... I don't think this is some deep mystery. Do you?
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Brennan Voboril
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The Forward magazine is an American Jewish publication, and I doubt very much they were attempting to provide an excuse for Putler's illegal invasion. I rather think their article is germane as the point is often called Kremlin disinformation.
As to the origins of the war, I believe we have to go back in time. This didn't start in 2022, when Putler invaded. There were Minsk agreements before, agreements that the signatories later said were hoaxes, used to buy time to arm Ukraine. I believe it was Merkel who said that.
Edited by Brennan Voboril on 28 May 2025 at 4:22pm
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Conrad Teves
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Of all the creative names people have come up for him, I suspect "Taco" is the one that'll stick. It's short, to the point, and we know he hates hates hates it.
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James Woodcock
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I am really liking TACO and am hoping we finally have something that sticks.
Doubly so as it seems to irritate him.
Kudos to the reporter who brought it up with him.
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Brian Acuff
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Thought he loved mexican food
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Dave Kopperman
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Maybe now we actually will get that taco truck on every corner that we were promised.
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Marc Foxx
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Brennan Voboril wrote:
| Here is a story from the Jewish magazine The Forward on the subject: https://forward.com/opinion/416751/why-does-no -one-care-that-neo-nazis-are-gaining-power-in-ukraine/ |
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Congratulations, you managed to cite an opinion piece from 2018, a year before Volodymyr Zelenskyy was elected...
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 29 May 2025 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | 11
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QUOTE:
| The Forward magazine is an American Jewish publication, and I doubt very much they were attempting to provide an excuse for Putler's illegal invasion. |
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More of the sophistry. As I said, the article is irrelevant, unless you are trying to provide a justification for the war.
Continually you post comments that align with someone on a rich diet of Kremlin propaganda, but then act all doe-eyed when called on it.
For someone who claims not to be providing justification for Russia's invasion, you sure write a lot in that vein, but since you invoke historic treaties: as has been stated here many times, the Budapest memorandum of 1994 provided security assurances for Ukraine as it handed back Soviet nukes back to Russia. Russia was a signatory, as was the US.
Russia has invaded Ukraine using military force. It is clear as day that Russia is the aggressor and the instigator of the conflict.
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Brennan Voboril
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| Posted: 29 May 2025 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | 12
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Marc I never said anything about Zelensky.
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