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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 30 April 2024 at 12:51am | IP Logged | 1
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You misunderstand me, I used to be able to draw pretty well and even was paid sometimes, but I physically can't do it now without pain and not to the level I once was able to. The last thing I did was for a friend's fourth CD release around ten years ago now and fairly simple cartooning.
I haven't used the AI that's available out there before today and I wondered what an anime Supergirl and Spider-Woman might look like. I added a bit of lettering and what seems appropriate copyright. I hope you can see these (just copy and paste into your browser).
Supergirl The Anime
https://i.postimg.cc/L6p5DSsQ/sga1.jpg
Spider-Woman The Anime
https://i.postimg.cc/y6FYkGTm/spw1.jpg
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 30 April 2024 at 12:53am
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Conrad Teves
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| Posted: 30 April 2024 at 2:33am | IP Logged | 2
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Rebecca>>but I physically can't do it now without pain and not to the level I once was able to<<
Ah. Well, that truly sucks. At the very least you can have some fun with the AI. Have you tried CG? 3D modeling/rendering can be a lot of fun too.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 30 April 2024 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | 3
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(Rebecca - I don't think this should be a thread for your AI work - it's a
discussion on the tech itself. -- Tim)
Edited by Tim O Neill on 30 April 2024 at 7:13pm
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Rebecca Jansen
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I've tired of it already, mainly seems good for variations on a theme. Interesting to try out though, and I learned it will almost always need a skilled human hand to clean up and correct things. There were as many or more totally bizarre gaffs like three legs on someone as any unexpected things that worked.
I can definitely see why some artists are afraid of AI, but if you could have input rights like we have copy rights it might be very useful to individual artists. I think the work of artists/creators ought not to be fed into it without permission.
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Steven Myers
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Ai can't do Art. It can only steal from other art. There is no creative function at all. Swiping is not good.
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John Byrne
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Andy Warhol supposedly said “Art is whatever you can get away with.”
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John Byrne
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Speaking of AI:The states personified as Europeans see us…. LINK
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Not sure if it’s the AI or the Europeans, but someone sure thinks we’re really, really white.
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Conrad Teves
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I generally agree with Jim Lee's take on generative AI: Link to article
"We have to figure out a way to live in a world where it exists, and the source material from which it derives its content is properly credited and compensated.
But even if it were accepted and someone were going to pay me to use an AI engine to create work, I just wouldn't do it.
I don't create art just so I can have something to get paid for."
Even commissions can interfere with artistic growth and absolutely with personal vision. Look how many Bernini commissions were just portraits or of specific religious subjects for a church. Magnificent work, yes. But I wonder what he could have created if a commissioner just let him do his thing.
Yes, the specific ones pay the bills, but the most fun ones I've been given a wide license. "Listen to this song, and draw what you see" was a favorite. The guy who commissioned has a spectacular collection of art on that theme.
As I noted in the OP, AI can be used 100% ethically, there's just a number of people who really don't want to.
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Rebecca Jansen
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It could be compared to sampling in music I might think, can be done ethically with credit and compensation where due. But ideally I still feel creators should be able to opt out and not have their past works used/inputted, the cat does seem out of the bag there though.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 01 May 2024 at 11:53pm
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I missed this when it came out. OpenAI's upcoming product "Sora", which takes a text prompt and can make photorealistic movies from just that (and a whole bunch of training data, obvs).
I can see where this could be of real use to filmmakers, like connective scenes that would otherwise hiring a helicopter crew, or CG artists to build from scratch.
This erases none of the questions if it can be done ethically, or if the heads of big studios want to.
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I've mentioned in another thread, but one thing that might prevent such tools from costing creator's their jobs is that anything created with A.I. based on prompts alone is not enforceable by copyright. So, say a studio creates a movie based on prompts, story, graphics, etc., that work is actually in the public domain, basically.
Now, if the story was created by a human, that is a different matter. But a prompt is not enough to secure a copyright, so works fully generated by A.I. by only prompts... nope.
Now, in the instances like you mentioned, where it's used as a part of a whole, the rest created by humans, it becomes part of that work, so that I am guessing is copyright protected.
I wonder to what extent the movie industry has this covered in the fairly recent negotiations with the writers and others in the business?
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