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Brian Miller
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Here in TN, our state has a new-ish (I honestly don’t know when it was
enacted, but it seems quite recent as I don’t remember us going thru this
with either of our kids) education law that states 3rd graders that don’t
score high enough on the yearly standardized test will not get to move on
the the 4th grade. It doesn’t factor in actual grades from their actual
schoolwork at all. These kids can re-take the test and if they pass, they
move on. If they fail, they go to summer school. All summer. Our system
already gets only 6 weeks off for summer anyway and if their families
planned vacations or anything? Oh well, fuck you.
Numbers I heard yesterday were staggering. 60% of 3rd graders across the
state didn’t make the cut this year. Of that 60%, they’re expecting only 25%
to either pass the retake or complete summer school and move on. That
leaves 45% of all of last year’s 3rd graders that will have to repeat the
grade. Almost half. So now all our 3rd grade classrooms are going to have
to deal with classrooms that are overfilled and teachers aren’t going to be
able spend any kind of one-on-one time with any kid that needs it. It’s going
to be all they can do just to get thru a day of having 40-50 kids in a
classroom all day.
Some acquaintances of ours have a kid in this group. One of her moms is a
veterinarian and the other is an official in the school system. She started as
a teacher and has worked her way up. This kid has never received a grade
that wasn’t an “A”. Yet she didn’t make the cut on the test. They had a
meeting with our state representative and he pretty much told them “your
kid should be smarter, deal with it.”
I hope when the quakes hit and California sinks that Tennessee gets sucked
into the hole, too. This state just keeps going and going on how absolutely
stupid people can be.
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Daniel Gillotte
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When Texas initially rolled out No Child Left Behind the high stakes testing was characterized as if it was a person who lost a race then had their shoes taken away.
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John Byrne
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I can say from personal experience that this is a bad idea. I was able to move from grade to grade, until high school, because my aggregate score was about C*. This was good, because I “test badly” and would invariably score low on final exams. So basing everything on a single test would have been very bad for me. ————— * Quick history note: the American grading system of A B C D F is not what was used in my part of Canada. Instead, we had H A B C D, with H for “honors” and D a failing grade. Used to confuse the heck out of me watching American TV shows, where D was a pass.
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Joe Hollon
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"Numbers I heard yesterday were staggering. 60% of 3rd
graders across the
state didn’t make the cut this year. Of that 60%, they’re
expecting only 25%
to either pass the retake or complete summer school and
move on. That
leaves 45% of all of last year’s 3rd graders that will
have to repeat the
grade. Almost half. So now all our 3rd grade classrooms
are going to have
to deal with classrooms that are overfilled and teachers
aren’t going to be
able spend any kind of one-on-one time with any kid that
needs it. It’s going
to be all they can do just to get thru a day of having
40-50 kids in a
classroom all day."
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And there you spelled out why this won't actually
happen. These things never end up as they seem at first.
There will end up being dozens of different ways students
can earn promotion without passing the test.
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Brian Miller
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But it is happening. They either pass the test the second time or go to
summer school and pass that. If you don’t do either of those, you’re still in
3rd grade.
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John Byrne
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There was a small scandal just before I left Canada when it was revealed that some schools were failing FIRST GRADERS! Imagine having to repeat first grade! What a way to start!
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Peter Hicks
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Are we OK with the alternative to making kids go to summer school and rewrite the test? If we just keep promoting students to higher grades when they did not really pass the previous grade, after Grade 12 we end up graduating people to the work force who cannot do even the basics of reading, writing, and arithmetic.
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But a good percentage of these kids get good grades. It’s not these are all F
students. Some of them, including the kid we know, have gotten straight A’s
since they started school. It’s not a situation of just continually promoting
classroom failures. It’s holding back kids that are doing great in school.
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I’m confused. Why are straight A students failing a standardized test?
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James Johnson
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There is this guy who is running for office again, that has stated:
"I love the uneducated voter!"
Jus' sayin'!!!!!
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Politicians tend to favor those who vote with their gut, rather than their brain. Emotions over reason. This is how Trumf was able to compartmentalize his followers, getting them to vote for the bits of him they like, ignoring the rest. A well informed voter is a politician’s worst enemy.
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Brian Miller
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I’m confused. Why are straight A students failing a standardized test?
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Maybe they’re just not good at taking those types tests? Our oldest always
had problems with them and would have tremendous anxiety when they
would roll around.
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