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Brian Miller
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 1  

And all he had to do was give them back the first time they were asked for…
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John Wickett
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 6:27pm | IP Logged | 2  

"So Trump's latest rally last night noted how this is the greatest abuse of power in history. He says that every time." 

Imagine what will happen if he's acquitted.  

Here's what concerns me: 

1. There is a significant chance of acquittal, which would be politically disastrous; even worse than if he were never charged, IMO (despite the apparent strength of the case, he only has to win over one juror to avoid a conviction).

2. There are people who are going to believe both sides of this:  Trump is guilty, but the DOJ has been politically weaponized, and this is a politically motivated prosecution.  As those people weigh which scenario is most damaging to the country, some will choose a politically motivated DOJ.  I hope those people will vote for Republican candidates other than Trump, and that it occurs late enough in the election season that their votes are consolidated behind one or two candidates, because if the vote is divided among a wide field of candidates, that favors Trump.

"Imagine the documents that are NOT named in the indictment due to their security level?"

There aren't any.  If there were documents that couldn't be described due to their sensitive nature, there would still be counts in the indictment related to those documents, and the indictment would just not describe the documents with specificity.


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How many times over the years since 2016 has it been possible to observe, "all he had to do was..."?

Trump would be President right now but for a host of -- no-brainers. 
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Greg McPhee
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | 4  

Good old Peter Navarro has Tweeted and I quote this about Mike Pence: 

"Pond scum. It is PENCE who should be indicted for ILLEGALLY taking classified docs from the White House."

I'm no fan of Pence, but the GOP wont have anyone criticise Dear Leader will they?

It's funny how they all ignore the huge difference between Trump and Pence. When Pence found them he turned them over and allowed FBI and DOJ to conduct a search of his properties. As did Biden. Now any of them want to hear why what Trump did was different?
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 5  

Let's not lower the bar so far we start defending Pence (yes, I know that was not your intention).
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | 6  

"Ah, but they returned what was missing".

Well, at least the horses had a good run out in the field. Let's not concern ourselves with the latch on that barn door.

We've already lowered the bar when it comes to protecting and enforcing our national security standards.
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James Johnson
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Posted: 14 June 2023 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | 7  

What a bunch of idiots the GOPee are.

And their supporters are TWICE AS FUCKING stupid.

The Orange doG has a bunch of crap over all of the GOPee.

FUCKING weaklings all!
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I think the media loves Trump, whatever side they may slant to, as its red meat and ratings gold. Whether you love him or hate him, you watch (I am trying to taper down, social gone and news apps deleted). 

Trump is a mentally unhinged moron who like Dubya has daddy issues. The problem for us is it plays out for all of us to endure. I think people should file a class action suit against Trump for all the time wasted over the past 8 years, or longer (birther nonsense, etc.). He's stolen years from everyone in his attempt to stick it to daddy and show what a big man he is.

I think it's apparent that he feels invincible. He's been accused of everything but as Rebecca notes, plays the victim card. Interesting to see how the GOP, base and right wing media plays into that. Is he a tough guy who isn't afraid to say what's on his mind, no matter how horrible, or is he a picked on innocent who needs love and coddling? Amazingly he's found he can be both. Tough but delicate.

I think he's done horrible things and walls are surrounding him but he knows there's not much that can be done. If he runs and wins, he'll end the court cases and effectively be king, doing worse than what he did his first term. If he isn't the nominee or loses, he'll say it was all rigged and his minion will cause more violence.

The scenario he is presented a deal not to run and avoid prison time seems a reasonable scenario except he knows if he continues to be defiant, the only option potentially is to send him to prison. How can a person with a lifetime security detail following him around go to prison? I think his lawyers have explained this and it's the reason he keeps doubling down on arrogance.

At the end of the day our and our allies top secrets were exposed to who knows what groups, he continues to have support, even from his opposition for the nomination, Fox fresh off their "win" with Dominion (settlement and never having to really note they make everything up) keeps feeding to make even more money, and the toothless imbeciles who support him, even after seeing others go to prison, continue to feel emboldened. Turns out the freedom to air whatever racist, hateful, antagonistic thing you could say is satisfaction enough.


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Posted: 15 June 2023 at 12:38am | IP Logged | 9  

The scenario he is presented a deal not to run and avoid prison time seems a reasonable scenario

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I thought of that as an option. 
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Posted: 15 June 2023 at 1:11am | IP Logged | 10  

Confirming that this is an entirely political operation intended to keep him from running.
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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 15 June 2023 at 1:26am | IP Logged | 11  

I want him to run... to Russia, or North Korea, or Saudi Arabia. Give him his own show on RT News, or Al-Jazeera, or the Kim n' Don 'rocket's red glow' comedy hour... then cancel his program(s) here!
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Posted: 15 June 2023 at 2:27am | IP Logged | 12  

Confirming that this is an entirely political operation intended to keep him from running.
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Or is he running to keep from going to jail?
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