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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 January 2023 at 3:03am | IP Logged | 1
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He just got better and better……:
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Greg McPhee Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 January 2023 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 2
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I've read the Gerry Conway and George Perez Justice League of America run from issues 184 - 186, 192 - 197 and 200 again, and I have to say that George must have had a great effect on writers as well when he was their artist.
Gerry Conway really seemed to raise his game with George onboard.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2023 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 3
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Greg, with JLA I think it was probably more a case of a great artist making the stories seem better, rather than Conway raising his game. In particular, the first two JLA issues George drew were parts 2 and 3 of a story written for Dick Dillin to draw. Dillin had completed the first 2.5 pages of issue #184 and then passed away unexpectedly and the assignment was handed to Perez (who redrew Dillin's pages and then finished the issue). So for at least those first two issues, Conway had no idea Perez was going to be the artist when he wrote his scripts. And given that there were musical artists during the span of issues 184-200 (with Buckler, Heck, and Perez all doing issues) it's possible Conway didn't know who was going to be the artist of any given issue when he wrote.
Here's a fun contrast... Dillin's unpublished splash page for JLA #184, and Perez's published version:
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 19 January 2023 at 10:20pm
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 January 2023 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 4
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Jason, thank you! That's the first time I've ever seen Dillin's pencils for that issue.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 12:06am | IP Logged | 5
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Here's one more... page three, which Dillin had 2/3 completed when he passed away, and the relevant portion of Perez's redrawn version:
The Dillin pencils come from Twomorrows Publishing's Alter-Ego Magazine #30.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 12:08am | IP Logged | 6
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"He just got better and better……"
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And that's what I admired about him the most.
I will say something somewhat sacrilegious - I do not at all see the appeal of his 70's - early 80's work. This JLA page above was published around the same time as X-MEN#137 - and to me it's a night and day difference of quality and skillmanship.
BUT - George himself had said in later interviews that he was completely self-taught, and dogged his own work as I am doing here. He could have rested on his laurels and fanbase, but he expressly strove to get better and learn the proper fundamentals. And boy did he.
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 7
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"I do not at all see the appeal of his 70's - early 80's work."
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Maybe in retrospect, but when I was buying in the seventies there were barely a handful of artists that really had me craving for more, and a young George Perez was one of them.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 8
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George, like JB, had that ability to draw distinct faces - you could tell it was a George face, but they all looked different.
Those pictures above and on the previous pages show this so well - length, width, fat content and, yes, race - all these things are important. A lot of other artists could do well to remember that rather than the cookie cutter, speed line infested lines many used to draw.
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Jeffrey Rice Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | 9
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Maybe in retrospect, but when I was buying in the seventies there were barely a handful of artists that really had me craving for more, and a young George Perez was one of them. | |
____ I cannot agree more. George's first Avengers run was the start of my comic collecting.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 10
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George and I benefited from the sludge Marvel was producing when we started. We didn’t have to shine too bright to stand out. Fortunately for us, shining bright was exactly what we were intent on doing.
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Jason Ladwig Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 11
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JB, did you and George ever work in the same space and share/discuss each others' art? Was there friendly competition between the two of you? i.e. to make the next page/cover etc better than the other guy?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 January 2023 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 12
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George and I knew each other, liked each other, admired each other’s work. But living, as we did, thousands of miles apart, there was little opportunity to actually share the same space. Mostly, that would happen at cons, where attention was often diverted elsewhere. Of course, there was that one shared ride to an airport, where we ended up harmonizing on a medley of Broadway show tunes…..
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