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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 January 2023 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | 1
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THIS made history today... Kevin McCarthy just lost on the *third* ballot for House Speaker.
Speaks volumes!
-C!
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 2:41am | IP Logged | 2
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Now Trump needs to splinter off into his own party…
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 6:25am | IP Logged | 3
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1923 took 9 times to get a speaker. Over/Under on this house?
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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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McCarthy lacks the negotiating skills to make this happen. He has already given the dissenting Republicans everything they wanted and then they asked for more. It’s funny that the party that lacks the ability to govern can’t seem to pick a leader in the house. I’m not predicting, but it would not surprise me if this Speaker vote surpasses the record of 9 set in 1923.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 6:50pm | IP Logged | 5
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From the way that McCarthy is not gaining any votes with each roll call, I'd have to be over nine.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | 6
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McCarthy lost the fourth vote, on track to losing the fifth being held now.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 7
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My bet currently is that McCarthy has no shot at Speaker. It will be someone we haven't seen on the board yet.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 8
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This is the downside for the GOP of the three decade-plus long game they've played with the rise of conservative media since the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. It's also a distillation of the Gingrich-era all-obstruction, all-the-time strategy, which makes me wonder if Gingrich himself is aware of how much of a self-own it is when he calls for party unity. They've now bred a generation of lawmakers who know nothing before Fox News and anti-bipartisanship.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 8:46pm | IP Logged | 9
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By appeasing the Insurrectionists, McCarthy helped push out a lot of the establishment GOP members who might have voted for him.
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John Wickett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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"1923 took 9 times to get a speaker. Over/Under on this house?"
Sure is looking like "over" at this point. If all the reporting is accurate, then the ridiculous thing is there are no talks happening behind the scenes to bring people together around a speaker.
In theory, I have no problem with multiple votes. Democracy is messy. But this isn't going anywhere.
I think McCarthy will eventually get 218 votes, but he'll have to compromise on several issues with either far right Republicans or moderate Democrats. Both of those groups should be actively engaging in negotiations with McCarthy. Simply trying to outlast each other seems like a bad strategy here.
Edited by John Wickett on 04 January 2023 at 9:24pm
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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 9:36pm | IP Logged | 11
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The House has now adjourned until 8pm. McCarthy is zero for six.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 04 January 2023 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 12
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QUOTE:
By appeasing the Insurrectionists, McCarthy helped push out a lot of the establishment GOP members who might have voted for him. |
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I don't see it this way.
McCarthy had 203 votes in the first tally. By the sixth tally he had 201 votes.
The ones who aren't voting for him are the folks on the hard right, the so-called House Freedom Caucus. He's lost two votes from the first two rounds. And those were Byron Donalds -- who is now voting for himself and is a member of the Freedom Caucus -- and Victoria Spartz who is voting for "Present", which actually lowers the tally needed for victory, as she is not voting for an actual candidate.
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