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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 8:40am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

As many here already know, Nightcrawler is my least favorite of the ANAD X-Men, and it’s due to his flagrant violations of the supposed model for the characters. AN extra ability, said Stan. Sure, sometimes that mean a package of powers, like the Beast, but they all added up to one overall power.

In Kurt’s case, he was introduced with a grab bag of powers that really had nothing to do with each other—but had everything to do with him not having been created as a human mutant. Dave intended him to be an interdimensional demon, and when Len was shopping for new mutants he saw Dave’s drawings and loved them. Who wouldn’t?

But over the first few months of our introduction to Kurt his catalogue kept expanding. And one such addition was the “revelation” that he was invisible in shadow.

Even setting aside the fact that that was surely something we’d have seen before, when Chris told me about it my first question was “Does that mean he’s invisible at night?” No satisfactory answer.

So, I avoided that power, except for one instance where I used it to help define the abilities of a character I’d created—in a scene that Chris deliberately scripted in a manner other than what I intended, a source of frustration even to this day.

So, no, no fan I of this particular “mutant power”.

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The main panel of Nightcrawler is a prime example of your unique ability of using curves on the human form - a subtle element that doesn't hit you over the head - but combined with your knack for expressive body language, it makes the work eye-pleasing almost at a subconscious level. Your figures have a litheness that I haven't seen any other artist accomplish.
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

 Andrew Bitner wrote:
Hopefully Magneto hasn't spotted Kurt.

Luckily he's about to be distracted by alt-Beast getting his shoulders dislocated!
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Richard Palmgren
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

speaking of your favorite x-man, Nightcrawler, the best single panel that summed everything up regarding redundant mutants was from the Dark Phoenix saga where blue, furry Beast is sitting between Wolverine, who has the same haircut, and Nightcrawler, who's blue and furry
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

"As many here already know, Nightcrawler is my least favorite of the ANAD X-Men..."

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One suspects you may not be able to resist the editorial freedom this personal project affords, to adjust Kurt's overabundance of differing abilities.

I'd much rather that than have him killed off! ;-)
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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Alan Davis took a swing at explaining the whole "invisible in shadow" power by tying it into Kurt's teleportation:


Alan Davis really took that book (& those characters) and spun gold out of a gigantic shit pie he inherited. And then, as I recall, got booted from the book, though I may be misremembering. Abrupt departure in any case.
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Alan Davis - like our host - possesses the mutant ability to make any character he draws look good (and that includes keeping it on model).
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

The principle problem with Kurt’s invisible in shadow nonsense is that his face is always in shadow.

It came down to Dave wanting his avatar to have all the good toys.

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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Shadowcrawler would've been a more appropriate name for the character -- if that power had been originally present, that is.
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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

When Chris dubbed Kitty Shadowcat I thought that would have been a better name for Kurt. You know, since Kitty’s power had nothing to do with cats or shadows.

This was at the beginning of a period when the character names didn’t have to have any connection to what they did or what they looked like. (The tale is told that Stan, introduced to the ANAD D-Men, assumed Storm was Banshee and Nightcrawler was Wolverine.)

The Image boys took this to its nadir.

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Posted: 16 March 2021 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

He should’ve just gone with Kitty-cat and been done with it.
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I know that there are threads that have tried to cover this topic...  but the question of what a mutant is - *is* -  is still a little ambiguous around the edges, depending on who is writing the character.

Franklin Richards.  Mutant.  Clear cut.  Obvious.

Jean Grey.  Mutant.  ...but her initial mutation was telepathy, correct?  (referring to when she was a child & had that bonding experience with her friend who was struck by a car.)  But was that a retcon?  

We all knew Marvel Girl's mutation to be focused around her telekinesis, until the Professor gave her that telepathic 'boost'...  so which one is her original gift?  Does having two different power sets make her an anomaly?

We're not even gonna touch this "secondary mutation" stuff that they've done with characters like Sunspot or Emma Frost...

But Nightcrawler.

.teleports
.walks on walls
.prehensile tail/ curious fingers-toes
.glowing yellow eyes
.superhuman agility
.fangs/pointed ears
.indigo/furry skin
."invisible in shadow"  (at least Alan Davis tried to make that make sense)

Grab bag indeed!

But to point to Reed and Sue Richards...  two humans having an empowered child = mutant offspring.

If two super powered mutants have a child with one of the parent's powers...  that kid is NOT a mutant, correct?  They just spun out a new species, true unto itself.  (thinking in terms of Cable, Rachel Summers, or Daken.)

So where would that leave Nightcrawler?   Aren't mutants supposed to be born looking more-or-less "normal" until puberty sets in?   Wasn't baby Kurt teleporting pretty much since birth when Mystique dropped him over that waterfall?  He was born with her blue skin...  and his father's demonic appearance, ssoooo...

Is Nightcrawler, in fact, NOT a mutant after all?



Edited by Jean Sterling Ajouissance on 16 March 2021 at 8:24pm
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