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Jonathan Kaye
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Doug Centers wrote:
| BTW, just an observation, in the above Cockrum image we see between Magneto's legs a "go to" piece of tech Dave used often. |
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My first brief impression was that it was a vacuum cleaner -- and now I can't help but see it that way! |
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Jason K Fulton
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Now I'm wondering what the X-Men in a Michael Swan story / COLD WAR-verse would look like.
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John Byrne
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BTW, just an observation, in the above Cockrum image we see between Magneto's legs a "go to" piece of tech Dave used often.+++ My first brief impression was that it was a vacuum cleaner -- and now I can't help but see it that way! ** Much of Dave's technology was inspired by the movie FORBIDDEN PLANET. Watch closely there, and I'm sure you'll find something like that gadget in the background.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 March 2021 at 7:50am | IP Logged | 4
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 •• This was the image that prompted Shooter's commandment against a "big shot of the villain on the last page." He declared "It just turns the last page into an ad for the next issue." Frankly, none of us could figure out why that would be a BAD thing! (A long standing grumble: notice that I gave Chris an acre of space at the top of the panel, but he still found a way to cover some of the foreground art!)
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L Hunt
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It's thankfully something that Marvel books still do today and to be honest I get quite disappointed when there isn't a last page reveal. Some books still just act like that page is just part of the eventual trade collection and it just leaves one feeling cold when the issue just...ends.
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John Byrne
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Shooter's version of his own rule was to make things dull. In an issue of SECRET WARS, after lying unconscious on a hillside for several issues, Galactus (who should not even have been there) recovers and rises. Imagine what Jack Kirby would have done with that! Imagine what even I would!But Mike Zeck was compelled to draw a multi-panel page on which, in the last small panel, someone runs in to shout "Galactus is on the move!"
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Andrew Bitner
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I don't recall the page but it sounds like the equivalent of a guy watching something off-panel and saying, "Wow, that's incredible! Look at that!"
As if the artist ran out of money to actually DRAW the thing we're supposed to find so amazing.
It sure is a way to deaden what might actually thrill a reader.
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Tom Perkowitz
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(A long standing grumble: notice that I gave Chris an acre of space at the top of the panel, but he still found a way to cover some of the foreground art!) _____________________ Wow, you learn something new everyday. I never knew that the writer actually positioned the word balloons.
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Wilson Mui
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Maybe there was too much dialogue, Tom.
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Larry Gil
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That page was the best drawing of Magneto , period!
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John Byrne
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Thanks. I think Dave did a better job—and I like to think many of my later drawings were better than my early effort. Magneto no longer uses potatoes for shoulder pads, f’rinstance!
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Jim Petersman
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It's weird, JB, I can look at your earlier work versus your current work and there is absolutely no doubt you are a much better artist today! But that earlier work has an amazing energy (potato shoulders and all) that just seems to make it leap off of the page! Any thoughts on the matter?
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