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John Byrne
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Regarding Ororo, please for the love of all that's holy don't go down the mohawk 'punk' path. ••• My lack of God! What would make you think I’d even consider such a thing?!? (An example there of why I’ve sometimes said Chris didn’t really write the X-Men for as long as people think. So many radical changes to characters, concepts, even the inherent identity of the series. He must have written a dozen different books under that single title.)
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Michael Penn
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In my opinion, Chris Claremont pretty much from the beginning of his tenure on the comicbook wanted to transform the series into something other than it had been. It only took him a few issues to introduce the Shi'ar. And once he put the X-Men into outer space (where I do not think they ever belonged), Mr. Claremont clearly wanted to keep going there. It's obvious that he famously (and successfully!) went right back for a long space-saga pretty soon after JB left.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 14 February 2021 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 3
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As I have noted, Chris’ first “solo” story—not from Len’s plots—was about a demon!Artistically, I’ve described myself as a sponge. I absorb whatever I see. Chris is much the same as a writer.
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Timothy Ewanyshyn
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I thought it was very unlike the Scott Summers we know that he would proclaim out loud that the Scarlet Witch is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen. Of course, this is a different version of Scott from the one we know. It remains to be seen if he is being overtly manipulated to an attraction to Wanda, or if this is just the natural reaction of this version of Scott.
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Peter Martin
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| Posted: 25 March 2025 at 9:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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| It only took him a few issues to introduce the Shi'ar. And once he put the X-Men into outer space (where I do not think they ever belonged) |
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I would tend to agree the X-Men do not belong in outer space, but also have to acknowledge one of their most famous and popular stories occurs on the Moon and is not light on the space opera elements.
Similarly, I find Phoenix herself a little too cosmic and overpowered for my tastes, but there's no doubting the popularity of the character.
[Added: I realise I'm responding to something from 4 years ago! LOL]
Edited by Peter Martin on 25 March 2025 at 9:58pm
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Mark Haslett
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But Asteroid M is so so cool. The X-Men are welcome to what stars they can
reach imho, but Corsair feels so ridiculous that I really wish it had turned
out to be some kind of hoax.
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Jason Ladwig
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Peter and Mark: Do you feel that way now about the X-men space story lines or do you think you always felt that way? As a 12-year-old ( or thereabouts) when I came to reading those story lines I thought they were great. I don't know that I had any literary critiquing skills at that age. Now as an adult (at least chronologically), maybe some story points are more or less appealing.
To JB: 1) Did you write to a particular age group? 2.) Was there any direction from editors/publishers to target a particular age/reading level?
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John Byrne
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There was no particular instruction from the powers that were. Surprisingly, given the time. We just produced stories we enjoyed and hoped everyone came along for the ride.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 26 March 2025 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 9
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Jason- definitely have grown to appreciate the negative impact of the
Corsair story on Scott. As a boy, it seemed pretty neat that Scott’s dad had
been abducted by aliens- but what a giant additional coincidence of bizarre
stuff to show-horn into an already unlikely story.
It’s this kind of stuff that has wrecked Cyclops. Doing things that seem cool
at the time (that space pirate is my dad?? Plot twist!) without concern for
the future integrity of the character is bad. Writ large, it’s what drove me
away from a hobby I passionately love.
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Michael Penn
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That's crazy enough that it just might work! Oh, it did. For decades. Until some real nuts took over.
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Jason Ladwig
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...Writ large, it’s what drove me
away from a hobby I passionately love.=========== All fair points Mark. There is definitely something that has been lost in many of today's comics. Made Elsewhen all the more special.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 March 2025 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | 12
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that space pirate is my dad?? Plot twist!••• Not really a twist. If Scott had grown up believing Christopher (!) was a space pirate, but then learned he was actually a garbage collector, that would have been a twist. As presented, it’s a revelation—one in a long stream of Claremont refusing to allow anybody to be ORDINARY.
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