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John Byrne
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James Woodcock
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Two wrongs do not make a right.
You don't need to sort both wrongs together. Nor do you
need to link two wrongs for either to be wrong on their
own.
Racism and gang culture (be that gangs themselves or
influences in music, film, games, whatever) do not need
to be solved together.
One, as mentioned above by Michael, is people imposing
the wrong on others from outside (racism), the other, is
internal culture that requires a completely different
response and solution (gang culture).
One, racism, everybody can contribute to, BY NOT BEING
RACIST.
I cannot really contribute to the solutions of gang
culture to the same degree. My not being in a gang, does
not stop gangs. My running youth groups does help.
But my not being racist, helps against racism. And I
don't need to demand a positive thing to point to to
stop being racist. I just need to value human beings as
human beings, without reference to colour or anything
else.
There are two massive things we need to sort in this
world - racism and sexism. Both of those are done by
people TO people based on who they are. Based on things
that people are born as.
If you are someone who really cannot see that, if you
are someone who thinks positive actions to solve these
two wrongs diminish the people who are doing the wrong
and thus should not be carried out, if you feel
threatened by these wrongs stopping through active
programmes/choices (mandated numbers in employment,
increase representation in media as two examples) then
you are the problem. You cannot see that a film with
zero black lead actors in it, a film with five male
leads and one female lead are examples of the perpetual
problem.
Black Lives Matter does not diminish white lives,
because white lives have been shown, and continue to be
shown to matter. In all walks of live, we are bombarded
with a status quo that proves white lives matter. So we
need REMINDING that black lives matter. We don't need
reminding that white lives matter.
By saying 'white lives matter' or 'all lives matter' all
someone is doing is showing that they are happy with the
current arrangement, which clearly shows that black
lives do not matter in the slightest.
I know I tend to conflate racism and sexism, but that's
because I see they have very similar routes and women
get it from both of them. i also see very similar
arguments from those threatened by a loss of the status
quo, which pretty much amount to 'You have the scraps,
what more do you want?'
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John Byrne
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I suppose it says much about how messed up our society has become, when the term “social justice warrior” is deemed derogatory.
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James Woodcock
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Hey, I got shouted at for calling someone a climate change
denier and they heard Holocaust denier (well, not so much
a mis-hear, more of how the two are associated in their
mind).
So, yes. Society is truly messed up
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Paul Kimball
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I suppose it says much about how messed up our society has become, when
the term “social justice warrior” is deemed derogatory.
++++++++
so is feminist and at least at election time, educated.
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James Woodcock
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I had an interesting discussion about the term 'feminist'
with my daughter's boyfriend.
He said he wasn't a feminist and we got into how his view
of the term was completely negative because he really had
no clue as to what it meant.
He was shocked to find out that, yes, he actually was a
feminist, but he had only heard his family/friends talk
about the term in the negative.
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John Byrne
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I started calling myself a feminist when I was in College. Of course, I was barely there, but at least I was facing in the right direction. (More than once I had to explain that no, it didn’t mean I was Gay.)
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David Miller
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The meaning of "Feminism" has really gone full Orwell among right-wingers. It doesn't help that "Feminazi" is part of everyday discourse on talk radio.
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Brian Floyd
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I think Michael Roberts did a more than adequate job of explaining the difference between Aunt Jemima and gangster rap, but it absolutely boggles my mind that someone could be so ignorant AND arrogant than it would require an explanation to begin with!
(For the record, I never was a fan of gangster rap, and am glad its gone. But NWA's "Fuck The Police" seems especially relevant right now.)
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Tim O Neill
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JB: "I suppose it says much about how messed up our society has become,
when the term “social justice warrior” is deemed derogatory."
****
This term is destined to be appropriated as a positive term, much in the way
"ObamaCare" was intended to be negative but was appropriated by Obama
himself as a badge of honor.
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Marc Baptiste
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I think the most simple way to answer Joe is this:
People may choose to become a gangster rapper
People may even choose to become a mobster
NO ONE chooses to live under the lash of slavery
Marc
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Joe Zhang
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I guess rappers who glamorize crime are nonetheless seen as examples of self-empowerment, so that's better than Aunt Jemima. I understand that. Also, they are seen as foes of the establishment despite their partnership with record labels and streaming services.
I think there would be no Aunt Jemima controversy if the brand was part of a Black owned business. The underlying anger is against corporate America. Anger which is misdirected, because in my experience corporations have bent over backwards and then some trying to promote diversity in their ranks.
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