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Joe Zhang
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I don't get it. How has JB offended you , Glenn?
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Glenn Brown
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I never said that he did.
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Mike Murray
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An important point to remember:
Speech balloons may call each other "bubbles" on occasion, but that's just a cultural thing - and doesn't give outsiders the right to use that hateful, devisive word!
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Chris Rayman
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At the risk of getting slammed, I figure this is an appropriate place as any to discuss my most hated misuse of comic terminology.
Graphic Novel - an original long form story (novel) whose narrative is related through a combination of text and art, often in comic-strip form.
Trade Paperback (or Collection) - a periodic collection of the published comic book issues.
Regardless of how important the mainstream press (or anyone else) wants to make things like Sin City or Batman Begins sound, they are NOT based on Graphic Novels (as it says in the credits for Sin City). They are based on COMIC BOOKS!
Watchmen was a great COMIC BOOK series and the trade paperback of it makes for a wonderful read. However, I think its incorrect to call it a graphic novel (regardless of how much more hip it makes it sound).
If we can't be proud enough of them to call them what they are, how can we ever expect it from the uninitiated?
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John Benson
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Can't we all get along?
Remember this? Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Amazing that adults forget what children know so well.
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Lance Hill
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Chris Rayman wrote:
Trade Paperback (or Collection) - a periodic collection of the published comic book issues. |
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The dictionary definition is "A paperback book that is typically of better production quality, larger size, and higher price than a mass-market edition, intended for sale in bookstores."
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=trade%20paperback
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George Atlas
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Lance Hill wrote:
The dictionary definition is "A paperback book that is typically of
better production quality, larger size, and higher price than a
mass-market edition, intended for sale in bookstores." |
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And that's how they started in the comics. Instead of newsprint,
you'd get good paper. The size might be larger or it might
not. The price would be larger than any individual issue, at
least. The whole thing would look like a "book" and would be the
format in which you'd be most likely to find comics on the shelves at
B.Dalton or Waldenbooks.
But TPB has taken on a specialized usage in the comics world, and it
pretty much conforms to Chris's definition. Remember,
dictionaries are based on real-world usage.
(I might personally take issue with Chris's definition of "graphic
novel"--I think a graphic novel could be published in installments and
the real distinction is from works whose nature is that of an ongoing
periodical. So Watchmen, for instance, might qualify as a graphic
novel which was published initially in comic book form, then collected
in a trade paperback.)
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Tim O Neill
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JB: (the "n" word) '...a word with a complex etymology and an
even more complex pattern of use. "
*******
That's very true. Just in my lifetime, it seems to me the word
was co-opted by Richard Pryor (at least in popular culture) to
turn it from an insult and appropriate into....well, what did he
appropriate this into? For the most part, Pryor was using it
negatively, too. And how is its reference used in rap music? I
think JB is right - I've heard it used as a term of affectionate
brotherhood in some songs and I've heard it used as the worst
insult imaginable.
Personally, I feel its the ugliest word in the English language
and I can't even say it or type it. And anyone who has spent
time with me knows I can curse a blue streak. I'm this way with
any kind of racial epithet, but I've seen the damage this one
does firsthand. I think using it in any form just lengthens its
shadow and I don't like it as a pejorative or even as a co-opted
compliment. I guess by doing this I'm actually empowering the
word by avoiding it due to its worst connotation, but I just can't
make the leap on this one.
JB, I feel it's too charged an example and takes away from your
greater point. I just can't stand to see that word - it makes me
feel like we're pedaling backwards.
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Chris Rayman
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To me, the "graphic" portion denotes art or pictures in addition to (or instead of) the text; meaning a "novel" with graphics.
I could be wrong but most novels are produced as original works, rather than reprints of previously serialized installments. If they are, I'm pretty sure they're the exception, rather than the rule.
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Ray Brady
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Bill Dowling wrote:
| On the other hand, Mar-Vell's 2nd outfit (the red and blue one) would be a costume despite him being Captain Marvel, right? |
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On the other other hand, I would say Fawcett's Captain Marvel wears a uniform, since an almost identical outfit was worn by all of the Marvel Family.
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John Mietus
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John Benson wrote:
Can't we all get along?
Remember this? Sticks and stones may break my bones but words
will never hurt me. Amazing that adults forget what children know so
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I've been saying that since the first time the whole concept of "political
correctness" reared its silly head.
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Todd Hembrough
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Glenn Brown wrote:
Todd Hembrough wrote:
The movie Pulp Fiction
was filled with 'that word'. Spoken by Tarantino as well as Ving
Rhames and Samuel L. Jackson, as an example. I was shocked that
it was used as an honorific (almost) and not a pejorative.
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And Tarantino was widely censured by many for his liberal usage of the word.
Todd, just because you see something in a movie doesn't make
that thing right. And I'm sure you know that already; you
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Glenn,
If you read my message, you should have noticed that I said that I was
shocked to hear the word used so much, and in such a way.
I dont understand how you can take a statement like the one that I made, and turn it around to mean the opposite of what I said.
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