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Ed Deans. Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 857
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 4:02am | IP Logged | 1
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Michael Hatton wrote:
Manga does not mean Japanese Comics. Manga is Japanese for comics. |
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Book stores don't seem to care. You wander into the Graphic Novel
sections of Waldens, Bookstar, Barnes & Noble or Borders and they
section is overflowing with Manga. I've totally missed the surge in
this area but it's clearly a major draw if brick-and-morter bookstores
are stocking them by the hundreds. The trades and graphic novels
from Marvel, DC, Images are perhaps one bookcase's worth. They
typically fill with Marvel titles from the Ultimates line and
Essentials.
I was even in Borders a few weeks ago and they had a buy two get one
sale (or something similar) on "graphic novels" and it happened that
they meant all the Manga but not the domestic (superhero) stuff.
What's with the explosion in Manga readership? Can what's left of
the comics industry learn anything from it or leverage it?
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4705
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:26am | IP Logged | 2
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Tim O'Neill wrote:
JB, I feel it's too charged an example and takes
away from your greater point. I just can't stand to see that word - it
makes me feel like we're pedaling backwards. |
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Pretending it doesn't exist is pedaling backwards.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 3
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong and "graphic novel" will work, and in a generation or so people will refer to them as such with a bit more sense of legitimacy. I doubt it, but we'll see.
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The newspapers now often refer to things as graphic novels, even when they aren't.
I don;t think manga would catch on at all as a word for anything other than Japanese comic books.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:52am | IP Logged | 4
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John Mietus wrote:
John Benson wrote:
Can't we all get along?
Remember this? Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Amazing that adults forget what children know so well.
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I've been saying that since the first time the whole concept of "political correctness" reared its silly head. |
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I don't know, words often hurt a lot. I see children who are very hurt by words-so I don't think they "know" it so well.
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Brendan Howard Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4943
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 8:56am | IP Logged | 5
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Remember when the board experimented with giving comics the nickname of CBs? I still like the idea...
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Jacob P Secrest Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4068
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 6
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Todd Hembrough wrote:
Comics are comics, and calling them something else, like manga, graphic
novels, or whatever is ludicrous. Especially if your goal is not to
more precisely describe the art form, but to 'trick' people into
respecting the medium. |
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But that is the point, part of the reason people don't respect comics is
because they are misnamed, comic book implies something comical, and
if changing the name to something more appropriate will also boost
comic's respect, then so be it.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4422
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 10:18am | IP Logged | 7
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The Japanese certainly don't share Todd's opinion of the medium.
Certain characters you grow out of, sure. If you want an adult
story you don't shoehorn it into Astroboy. You go read Ghost in
the Shell. They have the right perspective, which leads to them
having a lot more genres and reader demographics than we do.
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Bill Dowling Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2177
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:14am | IP Logged | 8
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Brendan Howard wrote:
Remember when the board experimented with giving comics the nickname of CBs? I still like the idea... |
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Breaker, breaker, what's your 20?
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 9
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Jacob P Secrest wrote:
Todd Hembrough wrote:
Comics are comics, and calling them something else, like manga, graphic novels, or whatever is ludicrous. Especially if your goal is not to more precisely describe the art form, but to 'trick' people into respecting the medium. |
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But that is the point, part of the reason people don't respect comics is because they are misnamed, comic book implies something comical, and if changing the name to something more appropriate will also boost comic's respect, then so be it. |
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You can try to change the name, but they will still be comics to people. If they like it, or its the basis for the movie they like, they will consider it more adult and thus a graphic novel.
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Jacob P Secrest Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4068
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 10
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Rob, very true, but there's no harm in trying, I'm on a mission to get
people at my school to read comics, no success, I have one friend who
already reads Wolverine, that's it.
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Steve Horton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3574
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | 11
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Ed Deans. wrote:
What's with the explosion in Manga readership? Can what's left of the comics industry learn anything from it or leverage it?
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Cause kids love the things and buy them in extremely large quantities. Teens and adults, too. Plus, women like it, too.
I think American comics would do well to stop pandering to the 30-year-old basement dwellers and start taking notes.
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | 12
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At this point people dont hear comic book and think comedy or funny, they think superheroes, and they think comic book guy.
The word no longer means what the individual words mean.
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