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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 11 October 2020 at 6:39pm | IP Logged | 1
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Joe Zhang wrote:
| Biden ahead by double digits and people are already mourning his loss. This hysteria, folks. |
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No, it's realism. Unless something changes in the polls in the next three weeks, I have little doubt that Biden will receive enough votes to win the election. I do have substantial doubt that all votes cast will be counted, however. The SCOTUS has already given indications it is ready and willing to throw out ballots for arbitrary reasons.
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Marc Baptiste
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| Posted: 11 October 2020 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 2
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Joe,
I also think you are misreading the thrust of the thread - people aren't mourning his "loss" - they are concerned about his WINNING and having that win stolen from him by Trump appointed judges.
Marc
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 11 October 2020 at 7:59pm | IP Logged | 3
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Who removes Supreme Court justices? Congress, Senate or the President? And can a president veto or block it?
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House brings up charges, Senate votes on it. President can't do shit about it. Look up "Samuel Chase" if you want to get an idea of the process.
Something to remember: The Constitution states that Justices "shall hold their Offices during good behavior." If they steal the election, that's not good behavior.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 11 October 2020 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 4
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Impeaching a Supreme Court justice (or any other federal judge) requires a two-thirds majority vote by the Senate. That's not going to happen anytime in the near future. It's really too bad the founding fathers did not think to also make a two-thirds requirement for confirming judicial nominees. That would have prevented all the problems we are having now, and really would be a commonsense rule to reduce politicization of judicial appointments.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 11 October 2020 at 9:10pm
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David Miller
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| Posted: 11 October 2020 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | 5
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What gets me is the outright display of primate dominance. There's a "good faith" argument to not filling vacancies immediately before a presidential election, and even a lame duck vote in defiance of the will of the electorate would be at least responsive to voters. If the Senate votes before the election, it's an outright expression of contempt.
The Constitution presumes the Senate will approve presidential appointments. The founders didn't anticipate this kind of dysfunctional gamesmanship.
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Marc M. Woolman
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 2:05am | IP Logged | 6
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What gets me are
the republican
controlled state
Legislatures that
are already signaling
they intend to
dispute mail-in vote
"Irregularities" and
appoint their own
special electors to
award their state's
electoral votes to
Trump in these
"Disputed" cases,
and apparently that
is legal and won't
be stopped.
The Democratic
Governors will
send the regular
Electors to vote
along with the
popular vote,
The republican
Legislature will
Send their electors
to vote for Trump,
and the following
court battles and
appeals will
eventually get
decided by the
Supreme-and-aligned
-with-Trump, Court.
Is there some
Process or maneuver
To stop this?
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 5:56am | IP Logged | 7
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Yeah. Hope Covid kills him.
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Conrad Teves
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 8
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CGP Grey just put up a very interesting (and typically entertaining) video about the 25th Amendment.There are nuances and potential clusterf*ckery I was unaware of.
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Eric Sofer
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 8:33am | IP Logged | 9
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And my greatest fear is possible violence. My nightmare is the electors submit their votes and Biden would be chosen; state legislatures decide that those electors don't represent the state's desires; and change electors.
The nightmare is that too many democrats feel that's the breaking point, and go after the states and the other electors. All of a sudden, it's hunting season; and the National Guard is against Trump. The chaos and bloodshed would be horrifying.
But how many Americans have had enough? How many people against Trump's dictatorship decide it's time to revolt? The twists, turns, and machinations, along with other disasters, have taken their toll on most of us. How many will stand up for what they believe is the salvation of the United States?
I believe that can happen and I believe another Revolution might destroy this country.
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Tim O Neill
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | 10
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The efforts to suppress the vote are an old Republican song, but I don't recall
that they have been so stupid as to be so overt about it. It's all in line with
Trump's MO - all brash bravado in breaking the law as a mission to protect
YOU from those evil Democrats.
The threat of violence by white supremecist para-military groups is real.
Trump has given them more gasoline than they even needed to get the "fire
and fury" going.
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | 11
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They can't really suppress our vote if the candidate doesn't even know what he's running for.
"I'm running as a proud Democrat for the Senate"
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Marc M. Woolman
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| Posted: 12 October 2020 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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It's not even a
case of suppressing
the vote, it's more
ignoring it.
"Biden won the state
by popular vote?
Too bad, we're
awarding the
electoral votes to
Trump anyway".
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