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Brian Miller
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Indeed, Fred.
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Thomas Woods
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I've asked this before, but what are some examples of
this "unfair treatment?" You can't just say "he gets
lots of bad press therefore the press is biased". You
need to show where other politicians have done the
same things but no one cared.
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Trump holding kids at the border (all out attack).
Obama, Bush did the same (ignored).
Obama, Nancy, Chuck, Bill, all agreed with Trump on
immigration in speeches. Everyone clapped. Trump
(Racist! Stop him at all costs.)
Edited by Thomas Woods on 23 March 2019 at 5:49pm
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Rebecca Jansen
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Heh, people just don't 'like' Trump, soooo unfair. Wouldn't ever give him a chance as they see all Republicans as bad, that's all it is.
Needed another laugh like this. :^D
Is there anything real behind comments that Anderson Cooper and/or Rachel Maddow cried on tv yesterday? I'm thinking not, I can't find anything, I actually mostly listened to Maddow's show yesterday, I check her show out sporadically, and while I remember a comment about her fishing as being funny I could've missed this crying easily. Imagine being happy a reporter cried anyway... what up with that?
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 23 March 2019 at 6:06pm
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Paul Kimball
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Obama, Nancy, Chuck, Bill, all agreed with Trump on
immigration in speeches. Everyone clapped. Trump
(Racist! Stop him at all costs.
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I think it's matter of degrees Tom. Have all of the above at one time or another
probably said that border security is important, I would think so. Has Obama,
Nancy and the rest all called immigrants animals and declared a national
emergency to go around congress while admitting there is no national
emergency? no.
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Peter Martin
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Must have missed it when Obama called other countries shit holes.
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Dave Phelps
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Thomas Woods wrote:
Trump holding kids at the border (all out attack).
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Bush? How many sides are we talking about here?
Anyway, I'll give you the "cages" thing. I believe the "accommodations" have been consistent between administrations. But prior administrations only did that for unaccompanied minors and only until they found someone to take care of them.
Trump was the one to implement a "zero tolerance" policy, thus creating a lot more "unaccompanied minors" AND made it harder for people in the US to come get the kids AND shown no interest in supplying more judges to get their cases processed faster.
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As stated above, saying we need "strong border security" is fine. Calling out all migrants as "animals who want to join MS-13 and take what's ours" is the racist part. As is showing zero concern for the kids currently being held in custody ("well, they shouldn't have come here"); not bothering to develop a mechanism for reuniting families they chose to separate at the border; conflating asylum seekers with those who are trying to "sneak in"; etc.
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Rebecca Jansen
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When I mentioned I thought the kids in cages thing was exaggeration and mentioned how that one photo of a little girl being used by Time magazine and others turned out to not have been what it was purported to be, that's when I seemed to end up on the two extremes' ignore lists. In Canada I'm a bit left of center but in the U.S. where both extremes are going further out there I have no idea what I am other than bad for being moderate or compromising. :^(
How's it working out for you? Wow, tremendous economy!!! Enjoy the coal mining jobs much? How's the air? I have a lot of faith in the Democratic party's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory though, apparently some of them, maybe Pelosi, want to run against Trump in 2020 as they think it's a sure win. Holy... "you never learn do you?" What a mess, but we knew that with Bush Jr. and the WMD pre-emptive war invasion where C. Rice would never forgive Canada for not joining with Tony Blair etc. and with the impeach Obama signs from day one of his administration, impeachment for absolutely nothing, followed now by no-impeachment despite a pile of stuff it was designed to protect the country from! WTF? No, WTF x 10. No wait... make that WTF x 20 at least. :^|
I so hope the Mueller report release is the start of the needed clean up and fix-it job however, if there are enough boring but capable non-celebs lacking grand visions and future libraries still interested in the job.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 24 March 2019 at 11:05am
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Thomas Woods
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Bush? How many sides are we talking about here?
As stated above, saying we need "strong border
security" is fine.
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Three sides, establishment D and R ... and non
establishment Trump. Bush "played along" as one of the
Club insiders, Trump not so much. Bush would try to
play nice, and Dems were nice as long as he did. If he
didn't they would go ballistic. And they don't care
about playing nice if the tables are turned. Trump
doesn't play nice.
It doesn't really matter what level of border security
you want or how much you state it. They have called
for a complete stop to holding families, they want to
abolish ICE, there is no crisis at all .. zero .. it
is 'manufactured'. (which is all bullshit wrong)
All because they hate Trump. If Hillary had won and
actually wanted to do anything close to the same as
Trump I bet she would not be getting roadblocked
nearly as much, if at all.
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Thomas Woods
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According to the latest news on the report, it has
been released
"Campaign DID NOT collude with Russia"
"Muller does not find Obstruction"
The Special Counsel found that Russian government
actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained
emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton
campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and
publicly disseminated those materials through various
intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these
activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal
charges against a number of Russian military officers
for conspiring to hack into computers in the United
States for purposes of influencing the election. But
as noted above, the Special Counsel did not find that
the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it,
conspired or coordinated with the Russian government
in these efforts, despite multiple offers from
Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump
campaign.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 24 March 2019 at 2:36pm
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Brennan Voboril
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Wow, so we went through this Russiagate stuff for 2+ years only to find out there was nothing to it? Amazing. To watch CNN you'd have thought Trump was Putin's agent.
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Thomas Woods wrote:
| All because they hate Trump. If Hillary had won and actually wanted to do anything close to the same as Trump I bet she would not be getting roadblocked nearly as much, if at all. |
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I see we've reached the part of the debate where your going-in positions have firmly re-asserted themselves and no longer allow access to conflicting data so I'm calling it a day.
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A little misleading there. Per Barr's letter, the report identifies questionable incidents, points out how they could or could not be considered obstruction of justice and leaves it to the AG on how to proceed.
William P. Barr wrote:
| The Special Counsel therefore did not draw a conclusion - one way or the other - as to whether the examined conduct constituted obstruction. Instead, for each of the relevant actions investigated, the report sets out evidence on both sides of the question and leaves unresolved what the Special Counsel views as "difficult issues" of law and fact concerning whether the President's action and intent could be views as obstruction. The Special Counsel states that "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." |
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From there, it was up to Barr to decide if there was something worth pursuing or not. It was Barr who decided there wasn't anything worth pursuing, not Mueller.
Anyway, this next part (related to what he can and can't release publically), is bound to drive everyone on both sides nuts:
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| Separately, I also must identify any information that could impact other ongoing matters, including those that the Special Counsel has referred to other offices. |
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Steven Myers
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There certainly wasn't nothing to the investigation. It proved Russia actively interfered with the election, and resulted in a couple dozen indictments, including a half dozen people who worked for Trump.
The purpose of the investigation was to investigate Russian interference.
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