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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | 1
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From what I've seen in this thread, there are very few actual leftists on this board. Unless you consider people like Schumer, Pelosi, and Joe Biden leftists. Then you just have no understanding of politics. Or are so far to the right that you think Reagan was soft on communism.
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I’ve been trying to determine how left people on here are. It’s hard to get a clear picture since most posts are purely Trump hate porn.
I don’t think the politicians you mention are loony left, but I wish they would clearly point out where they draw the line and speak out against the things they disagree with instead of staying silent. I think there is voter loss fear there.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 2019 February 16 at 10:20pm
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | 2
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I don’t think the politicians you mention are loony left, but I wish the would clearly point out where they draw the line and speak out against the things they disagree with instead of staying silent. I think there is
voter loss fear there. -------------------------------------- They do, all the time, the media you watch just doesn't cover it. Look up, for example, when Pelosi was recently asked about socialism and she said that this is, and always will be, a capitalist country. Or when she backed away from Medicare for all and said we just need to fix Obamacare. Go look up footage of Biden on the Senate judiciary committee during the Thomas and Alito confirmation hearings and watch how he interacted with them. Look at Biden's Senate voting record vis a vis banking reform. Look up video of Biden delivering the eulogy at his close friend Strom Thurmond's funeral.
The mainstream of the Democratic party is split between neo-Liberal centrists and center right 'third way' folks. Its only very recently that the actual left, like Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, Omar, and others have been able to get any traction. And Sanders is still an independent who just caucuses with the Democrats. Ocasio-Cortez, for example, primaried a Democrat from the left.
From what I've seen in this and other threads, most of the folks on this board are in that mainstream Democratic spread. Hating Trump doesn't make you a leftist. There are plenty of people on the right, who actually believe in conservative principles, who hate Trump just as much as the left does.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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I guess there is hope that he will focus on fixing that at some point and that we just have to put up with it for now cause the alternative is worse.-------------------------------------- I'm curious as to what basis there is for hope that he will fix it at some point? I don't say this as a right vs left issue: no President in recent memory has seemed to have had any incentive to fix the issue of the budget deficit. The reason for that is that they have been able to get away with it. I see no reason to believe that won't continue. Until, of course, other countries stop fuelling the debt, and it becomes time to pay the piper.
I am curious as to what is the worse alternative? That the military budget stayed constant and, horror of horrors, the US remained by far the biggest military power in the world, but didn't grow its margin of military spending?
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 4
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If some of those things were said, I’m impressed and it restores some faith. Will look into it
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 2:59am | IP Logged | 5
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I certainly lean to the left. The UK version of left, but I'm more a centralist left - more Tony Blair/John Smith. Definitely not Jeremy Corbyn left. I'm a child of the Thatcher era, what can I say?
But there are also policies more associated with the right wing that I agree with. The unions needed to be managed, but Thatcher did it in a manner that was without compassion and that, to me, often is the issue. Do you show compassion in enacting your policies? Do you, as a government, look out for the poor, those that are incapable (for whatever reason) of helping themselves? those that are harmed most by your policies?
If not, I really have a problem with you. And Trump seems to have not one iota of compassion for anyone. You are either with him, loyal to the core, or you are someone to be destroyed and removed. In addition, he lies his head off all the time - about really easy to prove things. So therefore cannot be trusted about the important things. And that's some of the main reasons I think he is dangerous.
Incidentally, as I type this, my son is watching the children's ITV channel and a character called President Trumps has just come on. Farts his way through speeches. Childish, but very, very funny
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 3:13am | IP Logged | 6
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So If I reached out my hand in a shared goal of keeping it legal, I would want their side to agree that we should do all we can to discourage casual use of that freedom
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The best way to reduce abortions is to have comprehensive sex education and provide easy, affordable access to contraception. But the right doesn't seem interested in that and more focused on shaming women for having sex outside of making babies for their husbands.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 3:16am | IP Logged | 7
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James
There was no compassion in that prison reform bill? Or the right to try law for those dying of fatal illness? Or getting US prisoners overseas back home? Or the bodies of fallen troops back?None in reaching out to Kim jong un with a non war like stance? Bringing hundreds (thousands?) of jobs back for the American worker was not a compassion for them?
I’m trying to think of a big lie he told that hurt a lot of people, do you have an example?
Edited by Thomas Woods on 2019 February 17 at 3:27am
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 6:03am | IP Logged | 8
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Charlottesville, let's start there shall we?
Mix in the lies about anything to do with the wall and the policies associated with that
Edited by James Woodcock on 2019 February 17 at 6:04am
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 9:00am | IP Logged | 9
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Charlottesville? There were good people on both sides of that. Remember?
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 9:58am | IP Logged | 10
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Interesting conclusion from this study from 2015 conducted by the National Academy of Sciences: LINK
"Far from immigration increasing crime rates, studies demonstrate that immigrants and immigration are associated inversely with crime. Immigrants are less likely than the native-born to commit crimes, and neighborhoods with greater concentrations of immigrants have much lower rates of crime and violence than comparable nonimmigrant neighborhoods. However, crime rates rise among the second and later generations, perhaps a negative consequence of adaptation to American society."
The data in this study suggests that if you lower immigration, the crime rate should rise...
Also interesting in this study from 2016 is that the number of illegal immigrants in the US has been on a steady decline in recent years: LINK
Doesn't really add up to a national emergency.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 11
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Charlottesville
He was obviously talking about the two sides protesting the removal of the statues vs the protesters who wanted them removed. Any reasonable person would know that when he said there were fine people on both sides he was talking about the statue issue, because that is what the protests where about. So to say there are fine people on both sides, is a simple statement that there fine people who want to keep the statues and fine people who don't.
CNN turned that into, the President of the United States went on live television said there were fine white supremacists. And they continued to report, maybe even to this day that was a fact. Even thought He has Jewish ties, and a good relationship with Israel, he agrees with the antisemitism of the neo nazi guys. His family never saw this and Israel never saw this, but somehow CNN KNOWS.
None of it makes sense the way CNN reported it.
Making the statement in regards to the statue issue is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. The other alternative is bat shit crazy.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 2019 February 17 at 1:41pm
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 2019 February 17 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | 12
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Far from immigration increasing crime rates, studies demonstrate that immigrants and immigration are associated inversely with crime. Immigrants are less likely than the native-born to commit crimes, and neighborhoods with greater concentrations of immigrants have much lower rates of crime and violence than comparable nonimmigrant neighborhoods.
--- Are the referring illegal aliens as immigrants here or is it talking about legal immigrants?
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