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Steve De Young
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It just magically happens that people who follow his ideas out into reality (or at least pretend to) end up there, and fairly quickly too! Even the Asians whom Marx wrote were good only for manual labor, and yet they still have statues of him up. The fact that he writes off an entire race like that should've put huge holes through any of the compasionate argument of the ideal of communism as espoused by Marx/Engels. I'd say stick with Groucho, but then look at all he lost in the stock market that one time! :^)
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Right, this is because they weren't following Marx.  Marx believed that the workers' revolution would take place worldwide at the end of the arc of capitalism.  Russia in 1917 wasn't even industrialized, let alone capitalist, and the worldwide revolution never happened.  So Lenin changed the script to try to do Communism in one country.  His change of Marxist theory was bringing in a totalitarian state to seize everything for 'eventual redistribution' following forced industrialization.  Of course, that redistribution never seemed to really happen.  Maoism is a further development of Marxist-Leninism with further transformations.

But socialism is an economic system in which workers control the means of production.  In capitalist systems, capital controls the means of production.  You'll notice that there's no form of government expressed or implied by either.  There are libertarian socialists.  There are democratic socialists.  There are totalitarian socialists like Leninists and Maoists.  So also there are libertarian capitalists, democratic capitalists, and totalitarian capitalists.

Socialism is not a system in which the government owns everything.  Welfare and food stamps are not 'socialist'.  Socialism does two things when it comes into being:  

1) It removes ownership of the means of production from capital whom it perceives as a leech class which enriches itself from the labor of others and gives that ownership to the workers.  So, right now, there are owners who own your local Wal-Mart and your local McDonald's.  They don't work at the store or the restaurant.  People who work at those establishments generate value with their labor.  Ownership gives them a portion of that value in the form of wages, and keeps the rest.  That amount that they keep compared to the total is the exploitation gap, which is large or small based on the goodwill of the owners.  Socialism would give ownership of stores and restaurants directly to the workers so that they would receive the full value of their work.  This lack of exploitation would encourage people to work harder and better for their own benefit while allowing them to lead happier and more productive lives.  The people currently getting rich off of moving money around in the markets or the labor of others would have to go out and work for a living.

2) Capitalism by its nature commoditizes everything.  From labor to health care to education to religion to people themselves.  Everything becomes something to be bought and sold.  Socialism seeks to de-commoditize everything.  Like education.  Like health care.  Obamacare is not socialist.  At all.  It is pure corporate capitalism.  It funnels billions of government dollars into private insurance companies where executives reap huge profits based on not providing services.  'Socialized medicine' involves removing the consumer money from the situation altogether, the way its been removed with public education.
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

What
qualifies as a national emergency?
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El Chapo is on trial in NY at the moment. Some of his cartel members have testified. They have revealed in their testimony that they stashed bricks of narcotics into cars and trucks and smuggled them into the US via US ports of entry.

How many have testified that they moved illegal narcotics into the US via the southern open border regions? None.
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I was fully expecting Trump would've been gone by now to be honest. I guess I was totally underestimating the ability of Republicans to support, enable and explain away. Also maybe some looked at pence then coming in and weren't too thrilled with that either? They must want a third SCOTUS justice still or something, maybe expecting that RB-G, who should've left earlier (as asked to by many) so a younger left leaner could've come in, is at death's door perhaps. People who want the U.S. and the west weak are having the time of their lives these last two years.

The National Emergency is Trump, he can't do the job, wont learn, won't read, is a simplistic blame machine, makes up numbers and 'facts' like a child, plus is destroying their party as he's no conservative, but then that's why a lot of Dems switched over to vote for him in the primaries hoping to ruin the Republican party (like you don't need at least two parties to even have a democracy) which looked certain to crown a third Bush, and they never seemed to think Trump would use them as stats of support for him and proof he was the inheritor of the glory that was Reagan (including pinching the MAGA slogan from Reagan, has he copyrighted it?). At least Jeb Bush wouldn't have been an obvious racist or been in bed with as many U.S. enemies.

Without moderates you are just going to swing back and forth between two extremes of Amazon as evil exploiter of workers keeping us from a paradise of free everything, to Jesus told me I should be Pres and save the fetuses and gun 'rights'.
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

But Peter, they open doors and trunks. They don’t see anything in the back seats. Nothing gets past our border patrol. NOTHING. The president said so. 
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

 Thomas Woods wrote:
He’s given Democrats delay after delay with many calls and offers to work together on the situation. The just don’t want to protect America and put drug traffickers, sex traffickers first over their own citizens.


For a self-proclaimed independent, you parrot right wing talking points most thoroughly.    

Do you even listen to the counterarguments against the wall or does it all just turn into "blah blah blah Trump wants it so I don't blah blah blah" in your brain?


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It is the Democrats who want to take our guns like hitter did. If any dictator appears it will com from the Democrats.


So let me get this straight -

Expressing concern about the wrong people having access to lethal weapons in the wake of multiple mass shootings and saying military-grade assault weapons shouldn't be in the hands of private citizens. - Hitler. (How much "personal protection" do you need?)

Circumventing Congress by declaring a national emergency based on false and misleading claims because you didn't get what you wanted out of a budget negotiation - Democracy in action.

Seriously?
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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Do you even listen to the counterarguments against the wall or does it
all just turn into "blah blah blah Trump wants it so I don't blah blah blah"
in your brain?

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Yeah that is really how bad it has gotten. I don’t trust anything they say
or the msm pushing their agendas.

- late term abortion fine
- after birth, sure why not
- illegal alien kills us citizen, isolated incident.
- ms13 are humans too, anyone wearing a maga hat is not
- send billions in aid to foreign countries, won’t spend 5 for a wall
- putting our own people first is evil
- I could keep going but they lost me at hello

That is why I don’t trust any of their intentions on gun control. Most of
them are fine with burning the constitution tomorrow.

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Marc Thompson
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

-“putting our own people first is evil”

No. Deciding that “our people” are limited to white, Christian, heterosexuals whose ancestors arrived on the Mayflower is evil.
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Marc for the win.
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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

That is not happening
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Marc Thompson
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Thomas, if you stick your fingers in your ears and chant, “ La la la. I can’t hear you,” really loudly, your world view will seem even more justified to you.
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Posted: 2019 February 16 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I guess you ignore the parts about black, Hispanic, Asian
unemployment is at a records low (lowest ever?)

That they worked together to change the unfair prison laws and hope to
do more to perfect it.

That more and more minorities are supporting trump every day and
realize the Democrats need them to stay victims forever so they can be
their defender to vote for forever.
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