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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4635
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 1
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Frankly, I think we have someone here who has been reading a lot of propaganda funded and written by comrade Vladimir. Are there any links about these suspicious financial dealings that aren't to Breitbart and similar type websites? Perhaps from a source in the news and information business at least three decades? I seem to remember many investigations into that Clinton Foundation and changes being made in advance of the election while Trump kept promising to release his information and still hasn't saying it was only an audit preventing it which it legally didn't, plus we can only have him saying he was being audited knowing the IRS can't respond either way on these things.
Everywhere you look there's another Russian oligarch connected to Trump or his associates or family that wasn't properly disclosed... Hillary is more troubling than that? I just see the Ken Rove playbook stuff here, like bringing female accusers of Bill into that debate while there are actually twice as many claiming such things about Trump.
Really investigate his practices as a business person and you will be able to find a million or more better examples of a businessman to drop into a top position... lots of dodgy real estate scheme and how to get rich type junk, you want that making the deals with Iran or North Korea, or even worse, not dealing with Russia except for another Trump tower or golf 'development'? We do know he doesn't have ten billion dollars as claimed anymore than he can be counted on to not add imaginary floors to his properties to seem more impressive, and we know of the unusually high number of such things as bankruptcies, lawsuits, out of court payoffs, compared to others, but then he started with all those deferments from achieving that purple heart he said he always wanted!
Hillary's two briefly classified emails that might have been taken will be totally eclipsed by the non-secure cell phone with untracable number Trump has and insists on still using. Real news, not exaggerated revolutionary movement, but then so many people in parts of the U.S. get mainly Rush Limbaugh infotainment manufacturing outrage on multiple stations which would have been illegal under the FCC at one time. Just keep cutting away those job-killing regulations, protections and oversights and In Trump We Trust? Like Puerto Rico? Only the very best paper towels for them! What a great turnout. Disinformation, misinformation, blaming all kinds of 'not like us' others, and the deliberate sowing of confusion is the style of the times. Oh, did I forget redistricting and closing polls in heavily liberal districts? The Democratic party do any of this? A twentieth even? First we make liberal a pejorative, then we blame (fill in the blank), but mostly we get richer while blaming others for the swamp we have the deepest roots in.
Rubes. Bring on the wonderful trade war he's always said would be good for you and this massive fraud will be yanked so fast. When Canada is your enemy you haven't actually got any friends. Yes, we are so unfair like everyone else, look at that yuuuuge trade imbalance (cue Trump on tape saying he made that up on the spot when meeting Trudeau). Canadian shut up now?
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 02 June 2018 at 1:09pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 2
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You're missing the point. The point is that all during the years preceding and up to the election, the actions of Hillary, (of whom there is far more evidence of financial irregularities- among other things) was overlooked and tolerated. She was never held to the same standard that Trump is being held to.
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Yes, because she’s not the President. Even if you think Hillary’s behavior was “overlooked and tolerated” (what the hell were the Republican-led Benghazi investigations that produced nothing which led to an FBI investigation into Clinton’s private e-mail server which at most proved that she was sloppy with e-mails), is the correct response to be lenient with Trump because of “fairness”?
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1356
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | 3
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Thomas do you know any people of color or Muslims? Do you seek out podcasts of those who have a dramatically different point of view from your own? I live in a neighbourhood where within blocks of each other there is a mosque an orthodox church and a temple. I interact with all of these communities. I have a good friend and co-worker who is in a transition from one gender to another. I have family that are first nations who face systematic racism every single moment of every single day in this country.
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Maybe not as much as you would like, but my sister is married to a man from Mexico, and they have three children. I've had relationships with Asian women, married and divorced one. I've had friends of color over my life, co workers from the middle east, a boss from Iran, co-workers who were gender pronoun changing.
My example can be analyzed and picked apart, but what it illustrates is a system that most are guilty of using and the media is not immune to it. It is really obvious how they cherry pick their stories and what to focus on.
Fact: Trump did something with Stormy. Reporting this is legit, but the amount of reporting on it compared to other news shows that it fits their narrative to storm the gates of Trump with all their ability.
It's converted to propaganda flags that this person is evil. The negative vastly outweighs the positive.
If the person falls in line with their views, the positive vastly outweighs the negative. They will report on the negative, but question the sources more heavily, while still propping the person up as a great person.
Most are guilty of this, but since the media majority is left wing, they have the privilege to push their side.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 02 June 2018 at 1:04pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 4
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Fact: Trump did something with Stormy. Reporting this is legit, but the amount of reporting on it compared to other news shows that it fits their narrative to storm the gates of Trump with all their ability. It converted to propaganda flags that this person is evil. The negative vastly outweighs the positive.
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Stormy Daniels is a porn star, and the sensationalism of the story would get a lot of attention regardless of who was President. It doesn’t help that Trump and his surrogates keep feeding the fire by making easily disprovable lies about it. A lot of Trump stories would die down if Trump himself didn’t feed the fire.
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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4635
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 5
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Two emails that were about her making a phone call to someone that became no longer classified once those calls were made is what I saw reported in Canada. They have to blow whatever there is up to such truly insane proportions to try to make Trump's many glaring missteps look more palatable I guess. And then there is the 'lust for power' in her eyes, I heard that way too often. Her near-death bad health (no bone spurs though). How her and Bill killed people to keep them spilling the real beansd about Whitewater (a rinky-dink real estate development cut from the Trump cloth of which he's failed at far more often than they did on Whitewater). Hillary not respecting or being mean toward women who had relations with her good old boy husband (so who likes women who get involved with taken or married men... how does Melania feel about these various women grabbed at by her husband?). One thing that there really is though is Bill spending that time on that airplane with the judge presiding in a case against his wife. Old friends? Sheesh. I never understood his appeal, but that's something you can't re-interpret. Once you get to a defense of I am incompetent or an idiot it's bad... yet not being experienced or a politician is supposed to be a great strength for the current president! No.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 6
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I think until the Russian investigation is concluded the election is not seen as over for some. How much Russia influenced the election, maybe no one will know for sure. It did not seem to have effect on the popular vote since she won that by millions. On the electoral vote maybe, but she made some big missteps there too.
Clinton was held to a higher standard because she was in positions of power and influence, politically, for most of her life. There is nothing wrong with that. She made some mistakes in her political roll and those were looked into. They seem to have been nothing. Trump was not held to any standard because he was who everyone knew him to be. He held no political influence and he should not have won the election. Now that Trump is in office, the dealings of his company are scrutinized by the media, political groups and I imagine the Special council. I believe there are even legal suits filed.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 7
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Is Trump having sex with a pornstar or playmate or high end Russian prostitutes that sensational. Was anyone shocked to see those stories? Was it out of character for the man's lifestyle for the last 30 or 40 years? He could be an honorary Kennedy or Clinton in that department.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 8
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I attempt, and maybe fail sometimes, to see things for how they are. Throughout the election there were people acting like Trump was the golden child and defended him no matter what, but I saw a very flawed person going against a very flawed and corrupt system, and I agreed with him. He was using the tactics normally used to destroy the opposition to his advantage. Since he knew they would jump all over him, he dropped crumbs for them to eat up and watch them salivate at the mouth waiting for more.
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Paul Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 2:24pm | IP Logged | 9
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Yes, because she’s not the President. Even if you think Hillary’s behavior was “overlooked and tolerated” (what the hell were the Republican-led Benghazi investigations that produced nothing which led to an FBI investigation into Clinton’s private e-mail server which at most proved that she was sloppy with e-mails), is the correct response to be lenient with Trump because of “fairness”?
Just because the Benghazi hearings didn't produce indictments, does not excuse the other things that were overlooked.
- March 4, 2015, the Benghazi Committee issued a subpoena for Clinton to turn over emails. Clinton’s Emails Were Deleted Sometime Between March 25-31, 2015. This is undisputed. What is disputed was what the emails contained. "Sloppy at most"?! Come on...
- The tarmac meeting between former President Bill Clinton and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch during the Hillary investigation. What was discussed, and more importantly, why did the current AG of the US agree to this meeting?
- Why did the DNC ,which was then being run by the Clinton campaign, deny the FBI’s requests to examine the servers supposedly hacked by Russia, when the russians were supposedly interfering with the election.
- Why was an FBI plant/informant/spy placed in the Trump campaign without Trumps knowledge, and why wasn't one placed in Clinton's campaign as well?
- Why did FBI Director James Comey draft a statement about the conclusion of the Hillary Clinton email investigation in May of 2016, before even interviewing Clinton in July?
I could certainly go on, but don't try to tell me that Trump would have received the same "considerations", and that the coverage he received would have been anywhere the same as what Clinton received.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | 10
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Is Trump having sex with a pornstar or playmate or high end Russian prostitutes that sensational. Was anyone shocked to see those stories? Was it out of character for the man's lifestyle for the last 30 or 40 years?
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Yes. No. No.
Let’s spin this around: The media has been covering Trump’s lifestyle in the same way for the last 40 years. Is the Stormy coverage, in terms of attention, any different from the way the media covered Trump during his affair with Marla and his divorce from Ivanka? I was a /child/ when all of that happened, and I was fully aware of what was going on because of the incessant media coverage.
Are you going to argue that if a pornstar had claimed that she had an affair with a sitting US President, the story would not gather media attention?
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 11
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I could certainly go on, but don't try to tell me that Trump would have received the same "considerations", and that the coverage he received would have been anywhere the same as what Clinton received.
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Your points have been debated ad nauseum during the election, and I think you’re off, but for the sake of argument, let’s say that Clinton got away with being corrupt. So your assertion is we should just ignore any impropriety on the part of Trump because we tolerated it in Hillary? Does the Right have any integrity or is false equivalence and Schandenfreude all that matters?
Also, out of your 16 posts on this board, how many are not about Trump?
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Paul Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2018 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | 12
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Your points have been debated ad nauseum during the election, and I think you’re off, but for the sake of argument, let’s say that Clinton got away with being corrupt. So your assertion is we should just ignore any impropriety on the part of Trump because we tolerated it in Hillary? Does the Right have any integrity or is false equivalence and Schandenfreude all that matters?
Nice attempt at a straw man argument, but I mentioned in my first post on this recent topic about how I'm not making the equivalency argument. Not sure how much clearer I could be for you. But you'll hear what you want to hear...... My point was, that the LOUDEST Trump bashers somehow were silent on Hillary's acts. They championed her, while ignoring her actions. But they're certainly quick to jump to any accusation against Trump, no matter how unfounded or absurd.
Also, out of your 16 posts on this board, how many are not about Trump?
So what? I'm interested in the subject. I don't post a lot because I don't have time to. Also most topics don't interest me enough to post, though I do enjoy reading them. Frankly I don't give a damn if the Thing is stronger than the Hulk.......Does it make anything I've said less legitimate? The more posts the more important they are? The hierarchy and attitudes (such as yours on boards like these), certainly don't encourage people to post anyway.
At a certain point I get fed up with the constant echo chambering from the same old people bashing Trump. It was bad enough when people were certain he had dementia. It topped off when people were claiming he couldn't even read! Never a correction from anyone on that - not that I expected one. But doesn't some embarrassment or reflection come from making statements like that?
Sure, Trump says and tweets dumb things. I care about that and don't defend it. But in the end his results are all that really matters to me. I'm not looking for a hero or role model. I find those in my real life.
I like his results. I'm happy with the North Korea proceedings. I'm happy with 3.8% unemployment, and the lowest black unemployment in 40? years. I like his tax plan, and that despite Hillary saying it would lead to 3.5 million lost jobs, that the economy has grown tremendously. In fact it's to the point where even the NY Times states that they "Ran Out of Words to Describe How Good the Jobs Numbers Are"! I'm glad that the first month after the tax cut that the government took in record revenue. I like his recent VA Choice program and Right to Try bill. I'm impressed that after countless previous Presidents promises, that he moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem........ but you keep on talking about the important stuff like how he made a dumb tweet, and keep building up your all important post count .Or better yet try to settle the Hulk vs Thing debate.
Edited by Paul Buchanan on 02 June 2018 at 3:53pm
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