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Shane Matlock
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Posted: 06 October 2016 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | 1  

For some reason I get Seventeen in the mail every month. Not sure if it's a joke or what, probably so since I'm a 47 year old man. Yes, it's funny that someone purchased this, but at the same time I wonder what other junk mail I get because of this joke. And every month I have a more junk to throw in the trash in the form of a magazine for teenage girls. Think of the trees, people. If I ever get billed for this garbage I'm going to be pissed.
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Paul Greer
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 4:09am | IP Logged | 2  

For those telling JB he should have taken
care of this privately. If he felt that
someone violated his trust of knowing his
home address why would he give that person
access to his private email address?

I believe that Eric had best intentions.
But I also think that JB is within his
rights to be upset about the gift.

Yes. All turned out "fine" but you can't
diminish the way JB felt by getting
mysterious packages. It can be frightening
to receive things by strangers. More
frightening because those packages were by
their design a mystery to what the hell
they were.

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Blair Herd
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 6:55am | IP Logged | 3  

Eric seems like a good guy. But all this could've been avoided if fans just remain fans. Support the work you like, appreciate any interaction you have with the artist and don't assume a deep friendship just because he/she gave you some of his/her time. In Eric's case, he's been to JB's house. I've been to a lot of people's houses for social gatherings, but that doesn't make me their friend (at least not by my definition of friend).

Then you take into account that JB is a celeb and has experienced all kinds of weirdness with fandom, common sense says the mystery gift was a really bad idea.
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Agreed George.  
Regardless of the intent (which appears genuine and honorable) it is the action or consequences (or possible consequences) that have to be considered.  All that matters is that JB felt his privacy violated.  Case closed.

The argument that Eric was a guest in his house once or that JB's house can be found through an easy search does not open the gates to cross that line.

Of course Eric will have friends here that support him and say there was no harm but that doesn't matter either.  You weren't on the receiving end.

Eric felt guilty and decided to come forward.  JB did not publicly shame him.  He did that all himself.  This is a forum for discussion.  People are allowed to have opinions and ask for the same.




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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 7:21am | IP Logged | 4  

Paul, you know there is a function on the forum that allows users to send messages to each other without revealing their email address.

Personally, I don't think it is a big deal if I got that in the mail.  I would be more curious than anything.  It is not as if the company sent a letter using the alphabet cut out from a magazine.

Maybe the company should send a letter in advance that these packages are coming.
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Ariel Justel
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 5  

A question for JB. Has this experience made you consider no longer inviting fans into your home?
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What I'm wondering is why an artist will ever invite a fan to his house in the first place...

To be polite in a convention or a public place is one thing... To invite a fan to your house is another one.
 
Fan comes from fanatic (at least in Spanish language) and fanatic people tend to think differently.

A fan will await in a convention for hours to be able to get a signed comic or a drawing or even to see or chat with the creator.

A fan will idolize a creator even without knowing the actual person. They may continue idolizing the creator even if the creator is rude or desinterested in the fan.

It happens here in the forum very often: sometimes you can see JB ignoring or don't paying proper interest to fan questions and comments and you will still have the fan replying with incredible reverence to the creator.

So, will you ever invite this kind of fanatic people to your house?








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Ariel Justel
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 7:29am | IP Logged | 6  

Please, let me add that I don't know Eric and I'm not saying he is a fanatic or something like that. I'm talking about fans in general.


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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 7:41am | IP Logged | 7  

I'm glad that JB called the post office back to let them know what happened. They do track these things and being able to "close the case" can be very, very important.
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Posted: 07 October 2016 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 8  

Maybe the company should send a letter in advance that these packages are coming.

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They should.

It would be no less a surprise. I'd be happy if I received three or four bottles of beer a year with a letter saying, "A friend of yours ordered them, we protect your data privacy, etc." I'd be even happier if they named the friend so I could thank them and maybe do something in return.

But anonymously? No thanks.
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Glenn Brown
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Posted: 09 October 2016 at 3:24am | IP Logged | 9  

Couple of thoughts.

It's John's Forum and as such, his online space to be free to discuss whatever he chooses. To question his choice to create a thread about this experience strikes me as rude and presumptuous.

John did not out Eric; Eric outed himself. As such, any issues regarding "piling on" or "cruelty" are due to his actions.

If I was in his position, I would have chosen a different route in my effort to make amends. He obviously had John's address; he could have mailed a letter. He could have approached one of the board admins to forward an email on his behalf. 

The moment he attempted to engage with John over their private issue in a public forum is when all of this broke loose. Now the story has turned into a potential Bad Byrne Story - JB was mean to a poor fan who tried to apologize! Film at 11pm.

I know a lot of people who are considered famous. Some are acquaintances; some are friends. A few are very close friends. It is a position of privilege to be invited into that world, behind the veil so to speak. Trust is paramount because unlike the average citizen, celebrities do have privacy and safety issues that they do not.

The issue is not whether an apology was given or its degree of sincerity. The issue is that John's trust was violated. To shuffle past that and focus on Eric's feelings frankly is disrespectful; not because he's "JB," but because those questioning his response or level of annoyance don't appear to get it. 

Should Eric be excoriated mercilessly for his error in judgment? I don't believe so...but before you get to his feelings, you gotta first give JB his due here. I'm pissed off when solicitors ring my doorbell or cold-call me. I can't imagine how angry I would be if someone I invited into my home...someone who, if they received such an invitation should know me better than that, thought that a gag gift such as this would be appreciated.

I think Eric got a little too comfortable with his privileged status as a guest of John's and in his excitement over interacting privately with someone he idolized, confused fandom with friendship. He may have meant no harm. But ultimately harm was done.

So as a fan, supporter, whatever you want to call it of John's...how about stepping back and simply offering him some understanding without questioning his reaction? Because that's what his original post was about. The rest will be worked out between him and Eric in its own time.

Sorry that happened to you, John.


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Posted: 09 October 2016 at 3:41am | IP Logged | 10  

A question for JB. Has this experience made you consider no longer inviting fans into your home?
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What I'm wondering is why an artist will ever invite a fan to his house in the first place...

To be polite in a convention or a public place is one thing... To invite a fan to your house is another one.
 
Fan comes from fanatic (at least in Spanish language) and fanatic people tend to think differently.

A fan will await in a convention for hours to be able to get a signed comic or a drawing or even to see or chat with the creator. 

A fan will idolize a creator even without knowing the actual person. They may continue idolizing the creator even if the creator is rude or desinterested in the fan.

It happens here in the forum very often: sometimes you can see JB ignoring or don't paying proper interest to fan questions and comments and you will still have the fan replying with incredible reverence to the creator. 

So, will you ever invite this kind of fanatic people to your house?
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I appreciate JB for doing that. If it were me I would never EVER do that. I'm filled with anxiety  just thinking about it.
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Posted: 09 October 2016 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | 11  

I dont get it!
If those questions were set 20 plus years ago i could say that i had the curiosity of how JB draws ,how is his drawing board etc etc etc.Nowadays with the internet all those questions are answered (and most of them by the man himself!)
So what remains to be seen by paing a visit in his house?What is it that you expect to discover that you havent seen??I really dont get it.
There is no point in it!
What do the fans want?To see where the artist leaves his poo????For Gods shake!The artists are human beings and in their houses they are doing what anybody does in his house!So what do you want to see???I wonder if any of the fans would like their house to be open to anyone!I dont thing so,And there is no point in it.As i said above all the normal curious questions might have with today technology and social media are answered and there is no need for more!
FANS ARE NOT FRIENDS OR RELATIVES!
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Paul Greer
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Posted: 09 October 2016 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 12  

This discussion has taken an odd turn.
This isn't about why JB opens his home to
some fans. That is completely at his
discretion. I have been fortunate enough
to visit with JB on two occasions. It was
a great time and I rank those visits as
some of my fondest memories when it comes
to comic collecting. He is a very gracious
host.

This discussion is about not taking
advantage of that privilege.
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