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Matt Reed
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 Rob Hewitt wrote:

Bust at War I like the best

I'd like to read me some "Bust at War". At war with what?  Well, therein lies the mystery! Mmmmmmmmmmm...

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Yes, I know who Deep Throat is ;)

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It's Linda Lovelace.

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 Rob Hewitt wrote:
Shocker, I thought he was trying to hug us.  Clinton
had a directigve to "capture" Bin Laden. We knew he was a problem. Both
CLinton, for 8 years, and Bush, for 9 months did not act enough. Bush
was somewhat hampered by a shorter transition period-some of his
middle people took several months to confirm.  But as he has said,
neither Clinton or GWB, nor the American people, felt the urgency.

Maybe Clinton should of striked faster and more agressive, I'm not
denying that.

But Clinton knew nothing for sure, Bush knew for sure, what about raising
the threat level, that's what it's there for, the moment after it went to red,
it's suppost to go to red the moment before.

Screw panic, use the goddamn system for what it's made for.

The moment Bush heard of this he should of sent whatever it took to
capture Bin Laden.

Bush only seems to be tough on terror after September 11th, before that
he seemed to really like vacation.

ps - I really love that song, by the Go-Go's.
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Jacob-Clinton got memos too. Everyone knew.

Brian- That's what i was going to say if anyone asked

Matt-I have humiliated myself with enough typos for the day.

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 Rob Hewitt wrote:

Jacob-Clinton got memos too. Everyone knew.

Brian- That's what i was going to say if anyone asked

Matt-I have humiliated myself with enough typos for the day.

Attaboy!!

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 Rob Hewitt wrote:
Jacob-Clinton got memos too. Everyone knew.

Okay, so Clinton go memos, but I don't think there was at that time much
evidence to support that there was gonna be an attack, but Bush certainly
knew, he knew for sure.

Raising the threat level was really all he had to do, looking for Bin Laden
certainly would of been important, but he should of warned us.
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What, my previous postings too long and rambling for you?

 

and a single, solitary tear flows down the sad, but strong, man's cheek

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I don't think Bush knew anything conclusively the same way Clinton didn't know anything conclusively.  This gets dangerously close to the notion that Bush is, in part, responsible for 9/11.  I'm a die-hard Dem and I think that's BS.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing and allows us to sift through all of the clues and ask "Why didn't they act on this?"  I have heard nothing to the effect that Bush or Clinton were told definitively that there would be, beyond a shadow of a doubt, an attack in the fall of 2001.  With that in mind, everything else is political rhetoric.
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 Matt Reed wrote:
I don't think Bush knew anything conclusively the
same way Clinton didn't know anything conclusively.  This gets
dangerously close to the notion that Bush is, in part, responsible for 9/
11.  I'm a die-hard Dem and I think that's BS.  Hindsight is a wonderful
thing and allows us to sift through all of the clues and ask "Why didn't
they act on this?"  I have heard nothing to the effect that Bush or Clinton
were told definitively that there would be, beyond a shadow of a doubt,
an attack in the fall of 2001.  With that in mind, everything else is political
rhetoric.

I'm not saying Bush was responsible, but he had a very good idea.

Also, not Bush's fault, but the FBI has needed better computers for years,
their computers blow (even now they ain't that great).

Please excuse, but I need to go eat some Raisin Bran.

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Being gay, I certainly don't follow in the beliefs of Ann Coulter, but she is
brutally honest in expressing her opinion. I find her highly entertaining.

"Swing voters are more appropriately known as the 'idiot voters' because
they have no set of philosophical principles. By the age of fourteen, you're
either a Conservative or a Liberal if you have an IQ above a toaster." - Ann
Coulter


"Why not go to war just for oil? We need oil. What do Hollywood
celebrities imagine fuels their private jets? How do they think their
cocaine is delivered to them?"
— Ann Coulter


"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion
opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic
terrorists don't hate America like Liberals do. They don't have the energy.
If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."   —
Ann Coulter
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My grandfather is convinced, that it is an absolute fact, that is accepted, that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen, and allowed it to happen, in order to convince the country of the need for war.

And I have known several older people who think that way

Hindsight is easy.  But when you're the people in charge who get many many warnings about many things, it doesn't look the same way at the time.

Neither Bush or Clinton# knew 9/11 would happen and neither is responsible. I do believe they both had opportunities that had they taken them, 9/11 itself wouldn't have happened the way it did, but other things could have.*

Even then, I think it would have taken a concentrated effort, that only occurred after 9/11, to make any impact in world terrorism.

The Country wasn't ready for that. Whether a President could have convinced a country of the urgency, as Bush did with Iraq, I don't know.

# There were several opportunities to kill Bin Laden, detailed in Bush at War and the 9/11 report, but there was a sense that Bin Laden needed to be captured. If killed, only if no one else (no collateal damage) was killed in the process. I think Clinton generally reacted weak to terrorism, not connecting the broad dots, and not acting tough enough, and believbing it to be mostyly law enforcement.  I think past Presidents contributed to this weakness and the feeling that the U.S. was a paper tiger

*I also think the long fight over the election, and the sense by some that Bush was not legit, contributed to early inaction by Bush. Also, too much of a sense that if Clinton did it, let's do the opposite.  I think we have to solve the problem of a quicker transition and getting people up to speed.  Bush had to learn on the job, JFK did, but the consequences for both were high

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I hate Ann Coulter with a passion, so she and I are equal.  She's so wrong on so many counts she comes off as an extremist nut-job that does nothing to help her party.
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