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Dave Kopperman
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Mike Mackey wrote:
I was not looking for a huge political
fight...(sorry folks)...I had just want to hear what John Byrne leans were
(and was had hope to hear on my stories synopsis and if he thought it
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So... you (in part) posted the thread so you could promote your comic?
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Mike Mackey
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I am out of here guys, thanks for the fun. The passion tells me what I need to know.
The series is going to be called "Liberality For All" (to anyone that want to know), it will be in Diamonds Preview in a few months.
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Todd Hembrough
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Point being, that it is not like freeing the Iraqi's was a complete afterthought. IMHO.
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Rob Hewitt
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Todd Hembrough wrote:
| You know that they named the Iraqi operation (cynically those bastards) Operation Iraqi Freedom |
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Ha-I forgot that good point. WMDs were the main focus in the speeches and the media and there potential threat.
But if you go back over the speeches, read the Woodward book, you really see GWB was very vague on WMDs for a while, and stressed many things. Then there was this point where D. Cheney made a definitive statement that they were there and ready to be used. EVeryone pretty much believed that anyway, in the administration, and out. But after that, it was a turning point, and GWB then started making the same definitive statements. However, Iraqi freedom was always a goal or worthy byproduct of the war, though AMerican safety was always at the forefront.
But as he has said, he believed, genuinely, that changing Iraq would have a ripple effect on the middle east and long term, help America's safety. His version of "root causes." He also genuinely beived Arab muslims could be free and would respond to freedom.
Have you seen the multitude of publications from liberal leaning sources (Ny Times) and liberal people who suggest Bush may have been right, in the broad sense? Jon Stewart even did a joke on it. I could get it if you want. One guy who HATES GWB in Newsweek said, there's a (slim) possibility GWB could get the Nobel.
My sense is it is way too soon to tell, but I believe the war is having some impact. Whether that works long term will depend on many things, including future presidents. I'm certainly not going to declare "Mission Accomplished" again and dance a jig like some (foolish) Republicans are doing.
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Mike Mackey
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Dave Kopperman wrote:
Mike Mackey wrote:
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I was not looking for a huge political
fight...(sorry folks)...I had just want to hear what John Byrne leans were
(and was had hope to hear on my stories synopsis and if he thought it
was suicidal)
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So... you (in part) posted the thread so you could promote your comic? |
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No....Never!
I would honestly love to send it to Mr Byrne so he could critique it. I heard he was pretty conservative and well… one always hopes for any advice from someone of John’s stature
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Jacob P Secrest
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| Posted: 22 March 2005 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | 6
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James C. Taylor wrote:
Jacob P Secrest wrote:
Reagan did not end the cold war! He was
just in office when it
happened, that's it. |
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Uh, no. Actually George H.W. Bush was in office at the time.
Jacob P Secrest wrote:
And if Democrats so quickly give away money
as the quote suggests, then how do you explain RECORD
SURPLUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And then to top that off a "conservative" RECORD DEFICIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Republican Congress for the first, recession plus global war on terror
for the second (although in truth I was less than pleased with No Child
Left Behind or the Medicare Prescription). |
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Funny story about "No Child Left Behind", I know someone who's brother
was classified as a genious, but because of NCLB and him being in a non-
risk neighborhood he was sent to a crappy school where he literally spent
the whole of his first day there watching "Mr Rogers", keep in mind he
was in sixth grade at the time.
There is a way to leave no child behind, and it starts by extending the
school year.
I say this as a High School student who would kill to have a more spread
out paced curriculem.
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Rob Hewitt
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Jacob P Secrest wrote:
Mike Mackey wrote:
Jacob,
Sorry man, I did not mean to slaughter your post the way I did, It was an
accident. I just was trying to leave the parts I was commenting on... so
again Sorry.
But, regarding Reagan, I think it is interesting how things like the Fall of
the USSR just "happened" as a result to Reagan. Like the Reagan era just
"happened" to be the period of the greatest peace time economic growth
in history.
By that logic, I would think that history will show that G.W. Bush's
presidency, just "happened" to be the period when democracys became
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About the post quoting, forgiven.
what about the peace during
Clinton? It was an illusion. We had a determined enemy planning to strike us, unfortunately.
And I doubt Iraqis feel the free election makes up for the thousand dead
in Iraq on both sides. Some do, some don't. Isn't burgeoning democracy wonderful. 1/3 of Americans were tories, after all who didn't think the Revolution was worth it.
but what about "Bin Ladin determined to Attack inside
the United States," Shocker, I thought he was trying to hug us. Clinton had a directigve to "capture" Bin Laden. We knew he was a problem. Both CLinton, for 8 years, and Bush, for 9 months did not act enough. Bush was somewhat hampered by a shorter transition period-some of his middle people took several months to confirm. But as he has said, neither Clinton or GWB, nor the American people, felt the urgency. |
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Rob Hewitt
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Matt Reed wrote:
Todd Hembrough wrote:
| You know that they named the Iraqi operation (cynically those bastards) Operation Iraqi Freedom |
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And that wouldn't have anything to do with how that name would play in the media to the American public.
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Of course it did. It was also one of 3 main reasons stressed.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Todd Hembrough wrote:
Point being, that it is not like freeing the
Iraqi's was a complete afterthought. |
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True, but it still wasn't the first thing that came to their minds, the first
thing was to scare people.
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Todd Hembrough
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Rob Hewitt wrote:
Matt Reed wrote:
Todd Hembrough wrote:
| You know that they named the Iraqi operation (cynically those bastards) Operation Iraqi Freedom |
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And that wouldn't have anything to do with how that name would play in the media to the American public.
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Of course it did. It was also one of 3 main reasons stressed. |
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The other two were stealing Iraqi oil, and covering up the Enron Fraud.
Jacob adds a 4th: Scaring people.
Edited by Todd Hembrough on 22 March 2005 at 3:56pm
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Rob Hewitt
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Mike Mackey wrote:
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I am out of here guys, thanks for the fun. The passion tells me what I need to know.
The series is going to be called "Liberality For All" (to anyone that want to know), it will be in Diamonds Preview in a few months.
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Hah. I thought he was kidding this whole time about the comic. Thought he wasn't supposed to promote his own work, just provide a link or something
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Rob Hewitt
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I recommend Woodward's two books. Bush at War and Plan of Attack. They are fair but give you insight into who these men and women are. They overlap a little and Plan of Attack ends a little early. Bust at War I like the best
No I am not Bob Woodward.
Yes, I know who Deep Throat is ;)
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