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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10934
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 1
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Matt, I'll do you one better - the very fact that the mainsteam corporate media rolled over and let Bush get away with all he's gotten away with in the last 4 years pretty much proves to me that it's at least in bed with him.
The outting of undercover CIA Agent Valerie Plame by someone in the administration is, by the definition set by Bush I, TREASON, and that alone should have shut down the administration, but how much time does that get on the mainstream corporate whore news?
And yet we devoted a year to a blow-job. I don't know... maybe the audience does decide, and maybe America is more interested in Oral Sex than they are in risking National Security to get revenge on a guy's wife. Bleh...
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Teod Tomlinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 25 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1782
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | 2
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I like humor, I like the comedians at fox, I like the comical perception that US media is liberal, I like writing fun joke attacks on comics like Ann what’s her name. It is important to have fun with such disturbing realities otherwise it would be hard to get out of bed. I look at fox as a good snl skit. So with all due respect, James I decline your invitation to treat fox “news" with anything but disturbed amusement. You are more than welcome to say Clinton News Network when referring to any channel you want.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4705
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 3
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Matt Reed wrote:
James, I think just one person called it "Faux".
I understand the frustration, but isn't calling everyone out for the
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Matt, I didn't "call anyone out." I asked a favor of all. I
asked pretty nicely, too. You and I disagree but we have never
been juvenile or disagreeable about it. That's all I am asking
for.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 4
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
If I were to completely fabricate quotes I would be fired instantly, and shame on any paper that would ever hire me after that.
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Took the Times awhile to do this -the old standard bearer of news. They didn't even do cursory checks of some of their story.
Then there is the Insider/60 minutes thing.
The CBS thing which Rather stonewalled for a long time and did not get fired/reprimanded.
and I believe CNN had some bogus reports itself.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4705
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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Frank Strysik wrote:
I have nothing but respect for you and your opinions but that respect
doesn't extend to Fox News. I'm sorry if that offends you but that's the
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I'm not asking you, or anyone, to respect Fox News. I am asking,
again, for people to be mature and use the name and keep the discourse
here on the JBF better than the psychosis of Usenet and other political
debates.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 6
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Understood, but when that favor is asked as if all have participated when, in three pages since "Faux News" was used and only one person used it, asking all your "liberal friends, colleagues, and acquaintances" to refrain from using the term seems a little much. You did ask nicely, but no one was jumping on the bandwagon.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4705
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | 7
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Teod Tomlinson wrote:
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like humor, I like the comedians at fox, I like the comical perception
that US media is liberal, I like writing fun joke attacks on comics
like Ann what’s her name. It is important to have fun with such
disturbing realities otherwise it would be hard to get out of bed. I
look at fox as a good snl skit. So with all due respect, James I
decline your invitation to treat fox “news" with anything but disturbed
amusement. You are more than welcome to say Clinton News Network when
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Teod, we will no longer discuss anything political.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | 8
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
let's say they are this liberal propaganda center... if that's so, why aren't more Americans liberal? Why don't they have more influence in America? Because America is so smart that they reject the liberal ideals supported by these outlets? Then why do they still watch them? Why don't the numbers match up?
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Well, the networks were all there was forvever. Then CNN came along and had a similar problem/
But the biggest problem is if you hire 80% democrats, you are going to get slanted news.
Pauline Kael "I can't understand how Nixon won. I don't know anybody who voted for him." In his huge 1972 landslided
Work with all liberals, live around all liberals, talk and be friends with all liberals
and you won't see the bias in front of your face, and it won't occur to you to look at a different point of view/pursue certain stories.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:16pm | IP Logged | 9
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Matt Reed wrote:
Understood, but when that favor is asked as if all
have participated when, in three pages since "Faux News" was used and
only one person used it, asking all your "liberal friends, colleagues,
and acquaintances" to refrain from using the term seems a little
much. You did ask nicely, but no one was jumping on the
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I would have thought specifying Frank would have been construed as an attack. I sit corrected.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 10
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Rob, Pauline Kael was a movie critic. Her opinion isn't really one to readily cite unless she was referring to Stone's 1995 biopic.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 11
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James C. Taylor wrote:
I would have thought specifying Frank would have been construed as an attack. I sit corrected.
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Not at all, as long as you weren't actually attacking him. If you ask someone to refrain from a certain term so that the discourse can remain civil, I wouldn't ever see that as an attack. FWIW, I also think name-calling in any debate makes it such that the debate ceases to exist. Although I may not agree with you, I wouldn't go so far as to sling names and make slanderous attacks. At that point, I'd just bow out.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10934
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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 12
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Rob Hewitt wrote:
Mike O'Brien wrote:
let's say they are this liberal propaganda center... if that's so, why aren't more Americans liberal? Why don't they have more influence in America? Because America is so smart that they reject the liberal ideals supported by these outlets? Then why do they still watch them? Why don't the numbers match up?
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Well, the networks were all there was forvever. Then CNN came along and had a similar problem/
But the biggest problem is if you hire 80% democrats, you are going to get slanted news.
Pauline Kael "I can't understand how Nixon won. I don't know anybody who voted for him." In his huge 1972 landslided
Work with all liberals, live around all liberals, talk and be friends with all liberals
and you won't see the bias in front of your face, and it won't occur to you to look at a different point of view/pursue certain stories.
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Rob, I understand your point, but your logic goes wrong in a few spots - one, Paulene Kael was a film critic, not a reporter. She wasn't even a good critic - she didn't like Welles! She championed Last Tango In Paris! Bleh!
Second, ok - so you don't see the liberal bias right in front of you... then why is it so glaringly obvious on FOX? I mean, not just in comparison to the Corporate Whore News, I mean, just on their own, FOX shamlessly nurses at the teat of the GOP. They stay firmly in lock-step, while the Corporate Whore News networks go whatever way the wind blows, or the Corporate Dollars lead them.
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