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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 1
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Teod Tomlinson wrote:
Therefore,
interns are responsible for fox web site content. In addition, fox
reporters make up fake quotes. Doesn't this speak for itself, and you
are agitated when people question Fox being taken seriously as a legit
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No. I don't care if you take it seriously or not. I am
agitated when you ask to be taken seriously but engage in puerile name
calling such as "Faux News." Say you don't think it's legit, but
don't be juvenile.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | 2
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For the last couple months I've been working for a newspaper. If
I were to completely fabricate quotes I would be fired instantly, and
shame on any paper that would ever hire me after that. Surely a
national news channel should hold to the same ethical standard...
...unless of course they're not really a news channel and don't operate by standard rules of ethics.
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 3
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...or they're CBS.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 4
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Here's the difference. CBS screwed up big time, finally admitted
error and undertook an internal investigation to figure out how they
pulled a boner like that. People were fired/resigned. The
fake news article at Fox News elicited no similar disciplinary action.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 5
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
For the last couple months I've been working for a newspaper. If
I were to completely fabricate quotes I would be fired instantly, and
shame on any paper that would ever hire me after that. Surely a
national news channel should hold to the same ethical standard...
...unless of course they're not really a news channel and don't operate by standard rules of ethics.
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I'm not arguing this point further, as you have your
interpretation of events and your standards of comportment and I have
mine. You have obviously decided that this is the height of
journalistic sin and far more severe than fabricating a hit piece on a
president while he's running for re-election. That's your
perrogative. But again, if you want to be taken seriously, if you
want your beefs with Ann Coulter et al taken seriously, then don't do
the same thing. The name of the joint, even if you think it's the
dregs of human endeavor, is Fox News. Period.
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Todd Hembrough Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 6
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James,
I think that you are fighting a losing battle with this precision and
respect that you are requesting. We should be happy that Fox News
exists, and functions as a desperately need counter balance to the Main
Stream Media (unapologetically liberal, and devoted to their own far
reaching agenda).
Todd
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 23 March 2005 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 7
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
Here's the difference. CBS screwed up big time, finally admitted error and undertook an internal investigation to figure out how they pulled a boner like that. People were fired/resigned. The fake news article at Fox News elicited no similar disciplinary action. |
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Here's another difference. At FOX it was an intern that posted the placekeeping story instead of the real one on the website. I don't know what happened to the intern. At CBS, they ran a bogus story, tried to stick to it for a week before finally deciding that it wasn't "entirely true", and the network tried to fire 5 people. One left, the other 4 got lawyers and are fighting to keep their jobs. The anchor that read the story and stood behind it was able to stay in the anchor chair for months afterwards. The web story was seen by thousands of people, but pulled immediately after it was discovered to be wrong. The broadcast story was seen by millions and it took a week to discover that it wasn't "entirely true".
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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James, I think just one person called it "Faux". I understand the frustration, but isn't calling everyone out for the actions of one a little much?
Todd, show me the "far reaching agenda" this so-called mainstream "liberal media" has. I need some facts here, not opinion, before you state that almost the whole of media is liberal and they have a "far reaching agenda" that exceeds the reporting of news. I understand slant and bias, and won't argue that all news outlets have some sort of editorial slant, but to say that most mainstream news organizations have some sort of huge agenda is gonna need some nonpartisan, unbiased facts to back up that claim. I've called others on that here, both Rep and Dem, so I'm sorry I can't just let that comment pass.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Todd Hembrough wrote:
James,
I think that you are fighting a losing battle with this precision and respect that you are requesting. We should be happy that Fox News exists, and functions as a desperately need counter balance to the Main Stream Media (unapologetically liberal, and devoted to their own far reaching agenda).
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Todd, let's say that's true - let's say that the news media other than FOX aren't just whores for the corporate lobby...let's say they are this liberal propaganda center... if that's so, why aren't more Americans liberal? Why don't they have more influence in America? Because America is so smart that they reject the liberal ideals supported by these outlets? Then why do they still watch them? Why don't the numbers match up?
I really don't get the sore winner mentality that conservatives have. You won - why are you guys so defensive? Afriad of something? Guilty about something?
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Frank Strysik Byrne Robotics Member

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James C. Taylor wrote:
Teod Tomlinson wrote:
<span style="font-size: 11.5pt; color: black;
font-family: Arial;">Therefore,
interns are responsible for fox web site content. In addition, fox
reporters make up fake quotes. Doesn't this speak for itself, and you
are agitated when people question Fox being taken seriously as a legit
"news" organization.</span> |
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No. I don't care if you take it seriously or not. I am
agitated when you ask to be taken seriously but engage in puerile name
calling such as "Faux News." Say you don't think it's legit, but
don't be juvenile.
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James, I'm the only one who called it "Faux News" so please direct your ire
towards me.
I have nothing but respect for you and your opinions but that respect
doesn't extend to Fox News. I'm sorry if that offends you but that's the
way it is.
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Ed Aycock Byrne Robotics Member

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Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member

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Rob Hewitt wrote:
I wish I was the Multiple Man. That would make life easier (though it didn't help Michael Keaton much in Multiplicity) |
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I loved that movie. Keaton really showed his reach as an actor in that one.
"She touched my peppy..."
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