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Conrad Teves Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2230
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 1
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Whoa, who's said anything about repealing it?I simply suggest amending it with an explicit condition to make it fair to all the people who want to immigrate legally, and may have spent years waiting for a visa, etc. The framers couldn't see all possible outcomes, so they left a mechanism to patch stuff down the line. Think of the 22nd. Didn't change the existing rules, it just added a limit to them.
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Laren Farmer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 975
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 2
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While amending the Constitution always give people pause, I've heard some argue that birthright citizenship changes would not require an amendment.
This is from National Review* -
A correct understanding of the intent of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment and legislation passed by Congress in the late 19th century and in 1923 extending citizenship to American Indians provide ample proof that Congress has constitutional power to define who is within the “jurisdiction of the United States” and therefore eligible for citizenship. Simple legislation passed by Congress and signed by the president would be constitutional under the Fourteenth Amendment.
*(Board rules question...when we quote from an article are we supposed to provide a link to the article or no? Or are we not supposed to quote and just provide the link?)
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John Byrne
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 3
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(Board rules question...when we quote from an article are we supposed to provide a link to the article or no? Or are we not supposed to quote and just provide the link?)•• Cite the source for a short quote, provide a link INSTEAD of a long quote.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 4
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James: Arguing the semantics of race vs. culture vs. ethnicity is a distracting tactic similar to insisting the Confederate Battle Flag is significantly distinct from the Stars 'n' Bars. In any case, past anti-immigration legislation hasn't exactly been distinguished by its finely-honed specificity.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 5
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In any case, past anti-immigration legislation hasn't exactly been distinguished by its finely-honed specificity. •• I thought it was targeting Blacks and Hispanics?
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 6
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Conrad: The 22nd amendment has to date limited the rights of less than 10 of this country's inhabitants.
Make no mistake, scaling back one of the greatest civil rights landmarks in American history in a legal effort affecting millions of people, would be interpreted as repeal.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 7
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I encourage links to National Review. Everyone should read the article comments there for a look into how not-racist the fire-breathers are on this issue.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | 8
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John: The laws I'm talking about target Hispanics through their lack of specificity.
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Laren Farmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | 9
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David, there are idiotic comments on every single article on every single topic ever posted online.
But what idiots say in a comments section does not determine whether the content of the actual article is correct or not.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 10
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Laren: I didn't question NRO's accuracy, although I think everyone knows they're a take-with-a-grain-of-salt publication. I read it all the time.
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Laren Farmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 11
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Ah cool.
Though truthfully I don't know if there's any publication today of any leaning that isn't a take-with-a-grain-of-salt type.
Edited by Laren Farmer on 19 August 2015 at 1:56pm
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Marc Foxx Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 August 2015 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 12
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David Miller wrote:
Reprinting every civics text isn't going to be free. |
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C'mon - text book publishers would love it if this happens, besides, text books get revised and republished on a regular basis anyway, so that's hardly a valid argument.
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