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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133458
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Posted: 02 August 2015 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 1
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I saw a documentary on Quitely recently,he doesn`t work at home,but in a hovel in the city,if he works through the night he showers in the local railway station.I thought it was a strange thing to do! I`m all for avoiding distractions,but making your working life unpleasant just seems counter-productive!•• More rude thoughts. . . .
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 August 2015 at 8:31am | IP Logged | 2
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I think Barry Windsor-Smith used Clint Eastwood as his model for Hawkeye in Avengers #98-100.•• Frank Miller used Eastwood as his "model" for Wolverine -- completely OFF-model from what had been drawn before -- and Hugh Jackman got a job out of it!
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 02 August 2015 at 9:03am | IP Logged | 3
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I would have gone with Robert Blake. ( not for a movie though)
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 August 2015 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 4
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As I recall, Dave used Blake as his model (tho I could be cross-pollinating). I used Paul D'Amato, as he looked in SLAP SHOT.
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Shane Matlock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 August 2012 Location: United States Posts: 1760
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 12:02am | IP Logged | 5
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One of the things that annoys me about Quitely's art is that all his women look Asian which is fine if they actually are Asian, but when they aren't it makes them look completely wrong/off model. The other being the ill-fitting "realistic" droopy costumes.
I remember being deeply disappointed in the last issue of Invisibles which Quitely drew (having drawn none of the others) and how not one character looked like previous versions of themselves, especially not the beautifully-rendered, attractive (albeit heavily George Perez' influenced) Phil Jimenez versions. My friend Sarah absolutely hates his art because she says he makes every character look "ugly." Or as this person put it:
"Everyone looks like some kind of Olmec-headed human-potato hybrid to me."
I don't hate his art at all but I agree with an earlier poster who said his best work was WE3, probably because it was mostly animals and the people that were in it had no previous appearances for him to veer so wildly off model as to make them unrecognizable without their costumes. There were some really interesting layouts in that book, although some worked better than others. A few panels were so small that you'd need a microscope to see what was going on in them. Still, overall it's some wonderful artwork on that book and one of Morrison's few books that isn't weird for weirdness sake.
Another book I thought he did a great job on was Flex Mentallo (which is Morrison being weird for weirdness sake).
All complaints about his style aside, I think he's a talented artist who probably just doesn't belong drawing superhero books if he hates them so much. (Although John Buscema wasn't a big supehero fan either and look at the beautiful comics he drew.) Edit: While looking for an example of what I was referring to I came across this comment which made me laugh: "He's always been hit or miss for me. I don't think I'll ever forgive him for giving Superman the face of an 80-year-old Asian woman. But I did love we3."
Edited by Shane Matlock on 09 August 2015 at 12:24am
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 1:20am | IP Logged | 6
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It seems to almost go without saying, but I don't think artists who dislike super-heroes should draw super-heroes! You can always sense their disinterest. There are PLENTY of artists who would LOVE to work on super-heroes--why not leave it to them?
I may get some heat for this, but I never liked John Buscema on super stuff. I was disappointed when he finished up the Kree/Skrull War or did SPIDER-MAN. However, I LOVED him on things like CONAN! Even on THOR, he was great--maybe because those stories seemed more like fantasy than super-heroics. Recently picked up some old MAN-THINGs he did, and, again, he's great there! (His brother Sal, on the other hand, was probably one of the five or ten best super-hero artists of all time! Up there with Kirby, JB, Perez, and just a few others.)
Same thing with Gene Colan. Never heard if he liked super stuff or not, but his AVENGERS did not seem right to me at all, but put him on DR. STRANGE or HOWARD THE DUCK and I'm in Heaven! His DAREDEVIL was great, but was MORE great in the more down to Earth moments and crime scenes than the more obvious super-hero scenes.
Some people are born for super-heroes and others are not. Quitely should be used for sci fi or those "anti" super-hero stories Mark Millar seems to like to do so much.
Edited by Eric Jansen on 09 August 2015 at 1:25am
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 5:59am | IP Logged | 7
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You can always sense their disinterest.
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Could you tell John Buscema didn't care for drawing superheroes?
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Eric Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 6:49am | IP Logged | 8
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Sort of.
He was definitely a professional and always did a solid job, but the love really came through when he did non-super stuff like CONAN, TARZAN, a MERLIN thing he did, etc. Even in the super-hero stuff, the regular people and buildings, etc. came across better for me than when he was called upon to do space or high tech machinery or whatever--NOT that that's all there is to a super-hero story!
It's just when I found out that he didn't care for super-heroes that much, it sort of clicked for me "Oh, THAT's why I don't love this masterful artist's version of super-heroes!"
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Shane Matlock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 9
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I don't think you need to be a fan of superheroes to draw great a great superhero comic. If so it would probably discount most pre-70's comics before the fans took over. But I do think when your disdain or embarrassment for the medium leads you to do lesser work, maybe working in another genre would be better for your output.
Then again, what's going to pay more? A fantasy or sci fi or western comic or X-Men and Superman?
Edited by Shane Matlock on 09 August 2015 at 11:53am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 10
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Big John made no secret of the fact that he preferred Westerns and Sword and Sorcery over superheroes (other than the Silver Surfer). Something to keep in mind. All those staggeringly gorgeous issues of AVENGERS he produced, and his heart wasn't really in it! I'm not that good on my BEST days!And there's not so much as a whisper of condescension.
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Dave Kopperman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 11
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Rick Whitling wrote:
In Morrison's run (which I stopped reading and dropped the book 8 issues in) Beast was a wuss. Morrison had Beast get beat down with a (I kid you not) baseball bat by a scrawny looking new teenage mutant called Beak (who as far as I know, didn't even have superhuman strength). |
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Bear in mind that a) Hank was under a major psychic assault at the time, and b) he clearly didn't want to hurt Beak. Considering the power and intelligence he gives the Beast throughout the run (which is to say, a lot of both), it's pretty clear Morrison did not think of Hank as a 'wuss.'
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 August 2015 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 12
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Eric, I couldn't disagree with you more.
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