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Posted: 10 September 2014 at 7:50am | IP Logged | 1  

…in the two examples I gave earlier, did production just take your signature off the finished product?

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On the IRON MAN cover, my signature appears to be where I put it, down the left side of the product code box. But it's been turned pale blue along with all those other lines I intended to be black.

Looks like it was removed on the IF cover.

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Paul Greer
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I applaud your professionalism by not selling something to someone
you didn't feel 100% comfortable working on.
I do thank you for seeing a glimpse of what could have been. The
process is the most fun to see.
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Jesus Garcia
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The piece is stunning even unfinished and if that should be it's final fate, then so be it.

As to why some people think of the Goblin as Spider-Man's top nemesis, I expect that to be because he unmasked and captured Spider-Man -- in that order -- through intelligence and not incident. That is the ultimate defeat of a superhero with a secret identity, is it not? Having their effectiveness entirely compromised by exposure and threat to their loved ones?

That being said, I've always detested the Goblin for some reason. It's as if Osborn's basic snakiness was augmented by his accident and sought an expression through the Goblin. No redeeming quality whatever. 

Even the costume is an odd departure for the Ditko villains: Kraven, Sandman, and Dr. Octopus were in their natural attire. The Vulture is a very old man whose physical aspect might suggest his villainous identity. Mysterio looks like he walked off a special effects studio. The Molten Man is in his natural state, as his the artificially-mutated Scorpion.

But how dit Lee/Ditko get from the industrialist Osborn to The Goblin? My guess is that The Goblin came first without a full blown back story and he had to be retrofitted to Osborn.

In that sense, it would have been more fitting to have JJJ turn out to be The Goblin. JJJ's jealousy-fueled campaign against Spider-Man could have led Jameson to have an emotional breakdown and have him develop a split-personality like the Goblin -- hence the costume would denote naturally the festering evil in his personality.

Anyway, all that being said, that would have been a sweet commission to see finished as it perfectly captures the menacing evil of The Green Goblin. As it stands, that would be a hell of a conversation piece on any wall.


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Brian Miller
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On the IRON MAN cover, my signature appears to be where I put it, down the left side of the product code box. But it's been turned pale blue along with all those other lines I intended to be black.

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Y'know, I've looked at that cover 1000 times in the past 25 (or so) years looking for that signature. I never saw it until I read your post and looked back at it.
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Brad Hague
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Posted: 10 September 2014 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | 5  

What was produced was very nice to my eye.  I like seeing the penciled parts next to the inked areas.

If that wasn't up to your self-imposed standards, then I would be very excited to see what you would envision IS up to your standards for this commission!  

Thank you for sharing.  I do not think many artists would have the fortitude to do that.
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 20 September 2014 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | 6  

Something wicked (or cathartic) this way comes!
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Brad Brickley
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Posted: 20 September 2014 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 7  

I saw. You're a better man than I, Eric! Though a part of me enjoyed it.
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Ted Pugliese
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Posted: 20 September 2014 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 8  

Here is the video, John.

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{Edited to make Link - JB}

Edited by JohnByrne2 on 21 September 2014 at 9:39am

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Ted Pugliese
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Here is part II.

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{Ditto}

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Steven Legge
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The sound of the piece being torn asunder was more horrifying than anything!


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Wilson Mui
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Eric, have you decide on another character for a montage?
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Gundars Berzins
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Quick and painless! Tho a slow tear might have been harder to take.

Thanks for sharing.
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