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Eric Smearman
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I remember really enjoying Len Wein and Paris Cullens' BLUE
BEETLE run. And I loved JB's BB in LEGENDS!
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Mike Norris
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The Question was the best of the bunch.( though far removed from the source material) Captain Atom was probably the worst. Never quite gelled for me. Especially the costume. The second Charlton costume was a great design.
I enjoyed the Blue Beetle. It was an attempt to do fun comics. which in the 80s was going against the grain.
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John Byrne
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I enjoyed the Blue Beetle. It was an attempt to do fun comics. which in the 80s was going against the grain. •• It was an attempt to do SPIDER-MAN --- which is NOT what the Blue Beetle was all about.
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Shawn Kane
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I cringe every time I hear someone refer to themselves as a "fanboy". Exactly. I personally don't like the term "nerd" or "geek" being used to describe comic book readers either (or really anything else for that matter).
Edited by Shawn Kane on 03 June 2012 at 7:26am
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Darren De Vouge
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I enjoyed the Blue Beetle. It was an attempt to do fun comics. which in the 80s was going against the grain. +++
It was an attempt to do SPIDER-MAN --- which is NOT what the Blue Beetle was all about.
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And sadly, that was the high point. Then came. the BWA-HA-HA phase. That was truly awful!
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John Byrne
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When I did BATMAN & CAPTAIN AMERICA, I said I hoped it might inspire the next "trend" in comics -- FUN!!I also said I knew all too well that if this happened it would not take long for "Fun" to degenerate into "goofy", as "relevant" spawned "grim and gritty" which became "glum". Too many writers today simply can't do "fun" comics without being condescending. To the material, AND to the readers. After all, when we see THIS… 
…do we think of THIS… 
...or THIS? 
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Mason Meomartini
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Shawn Kane I agree, but now fans are happy to use those terms to describe themselves, as if that takes off the nasty vibe they carry. It's something like what Sam Harris said about atheists using that label for themselves at the Atheist Alliance conference in 2007: " ... our opponents draw the chalk-outline of a dead man on the sidewalk, and we just walk up and lie down in it."
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John Byrne
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There's a problem with calling oneself an "atheist"? I didn't get the memo!
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John Byrne
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Just poked around a bit online, and as near as I can tell, Harris seems to be making the case that "atheist" is a pejorative label applied from outside.He is, quite simply, wrong. And now back to our scheduled discussion. . .
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Richard White
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1963 has to be one of the most dull comics I have ever read, failing to capture any aspect of the wonderful comics it alludes to. Didn't really appreciate the pissy jibes toward Stan Lee either.
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John Byrne
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1963 has to be one of the most dull comics I have ever read, failing to capture any aspect of the wonderful comics it alludes to. Didn't really appreciate the pissy jibes toward Stan Lee either.•• Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko have earned the right to take shots at Stan, if such shots are necessary. No one else has.
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Richard White
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While I love the comics that Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby did sans Stan, you only have to look at those comics to see what Stan brought to the table. And what he brought was pretty wonderful and I'm sure an essential ingredient to the success of Marvel.
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