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Philippe Pinoli
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Posted: 20 November 2011 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Marvelous !!! Would kill to read this !
Not fan of oversized Storm's mask, Wolverine looks bigger than usual and did Peter changed his squared hair ?
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Posted: 20 November 2011 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Me likey.

JB, it's been fun seeing these "just for the heck of it" pictures. Do you
get the chance to draw for fun much, or is it something you've sacrificed
to be a professional?
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Speaking of coloured X-men. Came across this page on eBay. Was this really the way pages were coloured back in the day? With markers? I actually thought they were painted. Proves how much I know...



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Great piece!  Nightcrawler is my favorite in those outfits.  I've become spoiled by JB's work.  I definitely now prefer the black & white version.  Really enjoy seeing the work.  
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Posted: 20 November 2011 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

But oh, the really good old days when Banshee smoked a pipe! When pipes weren’t just for old people and problematic hipsters!


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Speaking of coloured X-men. Came across this page on eBay. Was this really the way pages were coloured back in the day? With markers? I actually thought they were painted. Proves how much I know...

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Colorists could use anything they liked to do the job. What mattered was the coding.

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Posted: 20 November 2011 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

  This really gave me an ear to ear grin!! :)
JB and Dave Cockrum!! My fave artists on the Xmen.
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Very nice!
At first I thought Ororo's mask was part of her head-dress, but now I see she
is wearing a modified cowl with the head-dress on top. Very cool.

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Colorists could use anything they liked to do the job. What mattered was the coding.

I’ve worked in print media for ten years, but nowadays it’s all digital and I’ve never been able to wrap my head around how the old technology actually, really worked – which I think goes for a lot of professionals of my generation. We prod the old hands at the office from time to time but they’re not forthcoming. :)

I’ve been trying for ten minutes to think of a process that would turn this coloured page (and erase the scribbled codes!) into four different plates and I can’t do it. My only consolation is that process probably wasn’t invented in ten minutes ...
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It's interesting to look at the color guide and the printed page. One thing I spotted was that on the guide Glynis Wein colored Professor Xavier's eyelid in the third panel (center on page) properly, but the printed version has the eyelid colored white, making it appear as if Xavier's eye is open.

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Joel Biske
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Here's a site that kind of explains how comics were colored "back then." There used to be only 64 colors available. (The mixtures of 0, 25%, 50%, and 100% of the three print colors-Cyan, Yellow, Magenta, plus Black CMYK)

http://www.wizzywigcomics.com/?p=411

Its been a LONG time since I looked into it, but if I recall correctly they were listed as:

25% Magenta=R(red) 2
50%Magenta=R3
100% Magenta=R

And so on for Cyan (B-blue) and Yellow (Y)

So the YBR2 of Xavier's jacket would be 100%Yellow, 100%Cyan, 25% Magenta.

The guides were given to the printers who would cut out overlays of each of these, which were then turned into the printing plates.

As the better papers and printing technology became available, more percentages of colors became available, as well as the early fully painted comics. The old fully painted comics were done on bluelines, a process where the B/W art was transferred to illustration or watercolor board as a blue line, literally. A mylar or acetate overlay of the B/W art was also created for reference. The B/W art became the black plate and the color art was shot and separated into the CMY plates. In some early full color books or graphic novels, the blueline under the B/W art can sometimes be seen if the registration is off....

I've simplified the process some and I'm typing from 20-25 year old memories, but that's a pretty close description of the process.
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Since we're looking at Glynis' actual color guide, and the eye is correct, it looks like whoever cut the film for the plate assumed she got the eye wrong and "fixed" it for her.

Gosh... thanks for that.
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