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Kip Lewis
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Here the thing about the hammer having magical impact damage--
Thor has hit many super-strong villains or creatures through the years
and the villains got up and fought back as if it was nothing more than a
magicless weapon. The most extreme example was Count Neferia
catching the hammer with an open palm. Sometimes it seems like
Thor's fist do as much damage as the hammer. (Not saying this is
right, just it sometimes seems to happen. Such as, how more
sucessful is Thor with hammer than Thor without the hammer when
fighting the Hulk.)
I just see the hammer being written as inconsistently as Superman's
issues with magic.
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Wallace Sellars
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That was my biggest gripe about the Silver Age Martian Manhunter. His
"vulnerability" to fire was so extreme he would literally faint if someone lit a
cigarette across the street from where he was walking. That's just silly. He
should be vulnerable to fire like anyone else, that's it.
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On that one I guess I've been off all these years. I thought the Martian
Manhunter's vulnerability to fire was a bit more akin to Superman's
vulnerability to kryptonite.
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Dave Pruitt
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Hey Wallace, email me please.
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Jason Czeskleba
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That was my biggest gripe about the Silver Age Martian Manhunter. His
"vulnerability" to fire was so extreme he would literally faint if someone lit a
cigarette across the street from where he was walking. That's just silly. He
should be vulnerable to fire like anyone else, that's it.
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You might think it's silly, but It's pretty clear from the stories that his vulnerability to fire was intended to be the same as Superman's vulnerability to kryptonite. It wasn't just that he had a lack of invulnerability, fire caused him to weaken and/or lose his powers. At least that's the way it was in the 60's and 70's... I don't know how it's portrayed now.
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Kip Lewis
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Jason, it is still protrayed that way most of the time, though sometimes
they toy with it being a pychological weakness rather than a real
physical one. (Well it was protrayed that way before DCnU. Who
knows how any of these weaknesses work now.)
So, while maybe it was wrong, but if protray wrong consistently for 20,
40, 50 years, does it become the right interpretation of the weakness?
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Bill Catellier
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"Could his heat-vision melt Alan Scott's ring?"
I would think so. The ring & lantern were able to be molded and fashioned by normal human means. Just because the source of heat is from Superman doesn't mean it wouldn't still melt. Retain it's power in melted state perhaps, but it would melt.
Anyhow, I enjoyed JLA/Avengers. I understand that the book could have been better, but enjoyed it for what it is.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Is Superman's heat vision made from wood? Because that's the only way we can be sure it would get past the ring's protective forcefield. If the ring is powered, it has a forcefield and the question becomes: Can Superman's heat vision penetrate a forcefield created with Alan Scott's ring? If it is depowered, unprotected and melts, it would probably be just about as powerless as any piece of metalic slag.
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Tony Midyett
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I've read discussions and interviews with Busiek, and I can't understand how JB has this "bad" reputation with fans but Kurt doesn't. He admits to googling himself and arguing with fans across the net, while JB stays here and does his own thing, yet JB is the bad guy?
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I used to converse with Busiek online, but I stopped, because he's a complete pr**k. JB has never been anything but nice to me. Wanna guess whose work I never fail to buy?
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John Byrne
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I understand that the book could have been better, but enjoyed it for what it is.•• Seems like I have heard that justification far too many times in the past few years. Or is that decades?
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Joe Smith
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got it in a second hand bin a few years back, but could not match the pretty pictures with the words.....
it's a nice artist's reference guide for both teams, though!
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^ Agreed, Joe. Perez rocks!
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Steve Horn
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Those that criticze the JLA/Avengers have never read the JLA/Avengers. JLA Avengers is the best comic book ever published period.
Edited by Steve Horn on 27 October 2011 at 6:56am
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