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Phil Frances
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OK - this feels a little like I'm about to try to jab a lion with a sharp stick and not get mauled, but here goes ....
JB - you weren't too complimentary recently about the JLA Avengers crossover, describing it as .. well, fan self-pleasure, let's say ...
I actually enjoyed the series, but given your comments, I wondered whether you might share what you'd have done differently ...
That's not a challenge ! - just honestly asking what other ideas might have come from someone I regard as the most skilled artist and writer in comics. ( There is no-one better at capturing the look and 'feel' of all those classic characters - sorry, everyone else ... )
If it might have included the JSA / Invaders in the mix, even better ... ! ( oops - now I'm trying to lead you ... ! )
Edited by Phil Frances on 21 October 2011 at 9:31pm
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John Byrne
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Len Wein has been quoted as saying "The first story you would do as a fan should be the last story you'd do as a pro."Read JLA/AVENGERS with that in mind, and I think you will be able to figure out for yourself what I didn't like about it!
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Valmor J. Pedretti
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I wonder if there's a way to do it properly nowadays.
Years ago those crossovers were like a huge deal. Superman & Spider-Man...wow!!!
But so many of them happened by now, also with other publishers (Batman vs. Aliens?), it doesn't seem to have that same impact anymore.
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Larry Gil
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I hope I'm not the only one who was totally disappointed with the story . The only objective was to cram as many characters into the book as possible. Even the art seemed rushed and I am a huge Perez fan. Not sure if it was the inking , but every character seemed to have a "button" nose. It's a shame the original story never got to see print. Sometimes less is more.
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Wallace Sellars
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I didn't care for it either. Even going in with my expectations lowered, I was
still disappointed.
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Tony Midyett
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It was soooooo beautifully drawn......
.......and soooooooo poorly written.
What a gap in quality! I've never read another comic with such a yawning gap between the visuals and the script. I really hope they get it right next time.....if there is a next time.
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Doug Jones
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LARRY: Even the art seemed rushed...
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How so?
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Larry Gil
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Doug...take a look at these 2 pics...again..just my opinion..but look at the differences between Superman , Thor , Aquaman , etc...Again , i just felt the overall art was not up to par.
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Larry Gil
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Whoops...here is the other image. 
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John Byrne
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Don't ever refer to art as looking "rushed". There are many ways to describe dissatisfaction with an artist's work -- it looks sketchy, it looks rough, it looks unfinished -- but "rushed" is not one of them. There is absolutely no way to look at a piece of artwork and be able to tell how long it took to draw. No way. There are simply too many variables.
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Matt Hawes
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I don't see anything wrong with the later picture by Perez, other than his way of drawing changed some through the years. As you would expect with George Perez, there's plenty of detail with both drawings.
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Robert Bradley
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I don't know how anyone could complain about the art - I thought it it was top notch. In fact, the book ran late because Perez developed tendonitis while working on it, and that put him behind schedule.
Still, the part with the JLA at Monster Island was just phenomenal. In my opinion, the series is some of Perez's best work.
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