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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 1
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Interesting article, but going back to the essence of the character and writing about hope is as much important. And that doesn't mean that there's no room for stories about disabled characters. Was Oracle a role model for people in wheelchairs ? Maybe. And maybe too that this role can be taken by some other character, maybe even that a new character can be created and become just as dear to the readers as Babs as Oracle was for many. But please give hope some space. Batgirl is back. She's Barbara Gordon, she is a proof that in comics at least there's room for hope, and sometime hope is what helps the most in the real world.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 06 June 2011 at 4:07pm
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 2
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Yvonne Craig notwithstanding, I never really liked Batgirl, though I thought what happened to Babs in THE KILLING JOKE was ill- conceived and mean-spirited. With Babs becoming Oracle I though we gained more than we lost for reasons cited in the above posted article.
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Kip Lewis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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Plus something all the "Batgirl is back!" fans need to realize that an entire generation plus of fans know her only as Oracle; that is the essential character to them. Meaning one day, Batgirl is going to be injured again and she will become Oracle again to "make things right" in they eyes of that generation. This means Barbara will now experience "Killing Joke" twice. I don't mean that specific event, but somehow she will be Oracle again.Newarama has an article written by a red-head woman who is in a wheelchair. This news made her cry, because she lost her hero. Plus to me this isn't hope; this is sad and insulting. (Restoring Batgirl without intending it to be temporary while saying things like this is exciting, good etc., is saying that being disabled make her less of a person. )
Edited by Kip Lewis on 06 June 2011 at 4:34pm
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 4
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No Kip. It just means that it was an error to do that to the character in the first place. And frankly how would i have done it if i was in charge? I would have used alternate realities. There's really room for an Earth one and an Earth two. For a Babs who is Batgirl on one earth and one who is Oracle on another.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 06 June 2011 at 4:43pm
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Lance Hill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:45pm | IP Logged | 5
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Whenever there's a Batman cartoon they go with the Barbara Gordon version of Batgirl. Same with merchandise. She's also the easiest one to explain - "Commissioner Gordon's daughter".
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
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I feel that if anyone but Alan Moore wrote that story, she would have been healed years ago. I'm a big Moore fan, but that story was indeed a mistake.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Happy crash landing, DC!
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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member
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The reboot is a cheap way to restore Batgirl. I would have liked a story where she could regain the use of her legs...after all...Bruce did.
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Kip Lewis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | 9
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Stèphane, what you call an "error" someone else calls their life. And whether it was a bad idea in the first place doesn't negate what came later. As much as I liked the Batgirl I grew up with, Oracle is superior.As I said several pages back, Oracle is one of the only disabled female characters and the only major one at DC, I can think of off the top of my head. Losing her diminished diversity, not increases it. (And what happens if Barb as Batgirl fails, even with Gail Simone writing?) The two versions (alternate realities) I could go with.
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Brad Krawchuk Byrne Robotics Member
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So they're retooling things to make it simpler for newer readers by... having FOUR once/current Robins around? Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damien all exist?
DC? You're fucking stupid and you failed right out of the gate, just with that information alone.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Stèphane, what you call an "error" someone else calls their life. *************** We have to be very careful with that kind of comment. nobody i hope limits his/her life to a comicbook character. That people in wheelchair feel for a character to who they can identifie themselves is understandable, and i'm all for giving them an earth 2 Oracle Babs. On the other hand that people who are not handicaped use the pain of other people to keep a version of a character they preffer is not acceptable.
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Lance Hill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 06 June 2011 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 12
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There's been no mention of Tim Drake so far. Odd, seeing as he's been the most successful of all the replacement Robins.I can understand DC seeing some value in Dick Grayson as Nightwing. But Jason Todd? Damian Wayne? They're excess baggage.
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