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Brennan Voboril
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"...everything is being run by those creepy guys we used to see -- and mock! -- at conventions in days of yore."
I feel culture has changed and the current writers, to a large degree, reflect this change. It is the same in music, cinema, and other art forms isn't it?
The wonder we all loved from long ago is long gone. There are exceptions but, sadly, very few at Marvel or DC.
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Brett Tolino
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In reading the replies, I saw that JB said if someone went back in time, pls convince him NOT to do Superman and to stick it out on FF. To Mr. Byrne: Does that mean you regret the decision to do Superman? Because I wasn't a fan of Superman comics before your work on the character. It's ironic because I always loved DC's characters... everyone but Superman, who, as I kid, I thought was boring. Your work made the character interesting and I know you did a ton of Superman stories, I still wish you stayed longer. It's kind of sad, thinking about living in a world without your work on Superman. The cover to your Man of Steel #1 is one of the most iconic images of Superman, right up there with Action #1 and Superman #1. Could anyone even conceive of a world where that incredible cover simply doesn't exist?
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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If I could turn back time... I would keep Quesada, Waid, David, Moore, Didio, Morrison and many, many others from finding out the existence of comic books...
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John Byrne
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A phrase that has been nearly beaten to death in recent years is "thinking outside the box". This has become almost a mantra in modern American comics, where it seems every new writer or editor or combination wants to "think outside the box" and "reboot" everything. Yet, in serial fiction like this, it is thinking INSIDE the box that is the real challenge. Ask anyone who works in construction: what's harder, building up, or tearing down?
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Brandon Scott Berthelot
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Karen Page turning to porn and prostitution to support a smack habit and then getting HIV and being killed off in a church, Mysterio commiting suicide...what a mess Kevin Smith leaves.
To be fair, Frank Miller had Karen Paige turning to porn and prostitution to support a smack habit. By the time Kevin Smith got to her she was clean and doing well. Smith wrote her out of the book in the first issue, then brought her back thinking she had HIV (she did not, Mysterio planted the results), then had her killed.
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Bill Mimbu
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Spock: "It has always been easier to destroy that to create" McCoy: "Not anymore! Now we can do both at the same time. According to myth, the Earth was created in six days. Now watch out! Here comes Genesis, we'll do it for ya in six minutes."
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Gene Best
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JB: A phrase that has been nearly beaten to death in recent years is "thinking outside the box". This has become almost a mantra in modern American comics, where it seems every new writer or editor or combination wants to "think outside the box" and "reboot" everything. Yet, in serial fiction like this, it is thinking INSIDE the box that is the real challenge.
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Agreed on both counts. In business, my clients have been using "thinking outside the box" since the early 90's. I've always found it somewhat funny that they're taking about original thinking using a tired, hackneyed phrase.
And in the creation of art (I'm an amateur singer/songwriter), I've always maintained it's harder to write a good commercial song than something "avante garde" (whatever that even means these days).
Edited by Gene Best on 18 May 2011 at 3:23pm
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Brennan Voboril
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Frank Miller had Karen Paige turning to porn and prostitution to support a smack habit.
I forgot about that.
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Ernest Degollado
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JB wrote:
| A phrase that has been nearly beaten to death in recent years is "thinking outside the box". This has become almost a mantra in modern American comics, where it seems every new writer or editor or combination wants to "think outside the box" and "reboot" everything. |
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I used to work for a company that would contract with large companies to outsource their support staff. When discussing how they planned to completely restructure how support staff would provide their services they would often counter any criticism by saying that it was necessary to "think outside the box" which I would later learn was doublespeak for "We are doing everything the way we want and your opinion doesn't really matter."
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Chad Carter
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I find myself becoming more and more repelled by anything to do with the comic book "industry." The culture of it, right down to the horrible quality of the products this "industry" produces. The people who pander to it, and are breeding to raise more sophomoric imaginations. I'm especially getting the notion that anyone who reads comics today has little real respect for what the professionals (writers/artists/editors/ect) managed to accomplish in decades past. I think most of these readers think Gene Colan or Neal Adams is cool, but only because they blazed the trail for said readers' favorite current "pros" and opened the door to the adultification of comic books. Which was decidedly NOT what men like Dick Giordano meant to happen. Nor Stan Lee, no matter how much spit-shine he puts on the various Marvel turds with inane phrases like, "Gee! I sure wish I could have produced comics as great as these!"
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James Woodcock
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Oooh, can we start a thread on stupid management speak? The train is on the platform, ready to leave. Either you are on the train or not. Hate that one. Once answered 'Is it the right train?'
Wasn't appreciated for some reason.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Glass half full or half empty? Stupid question. I need to know what's in the glass, whether I'm in the process of filling or emptying it, what its desired, optimal state is. If it's my favorite beverage and the glass is half full, that's good because there's more yet to come, but it probably means I'm filling it, too, so I haven't tasted it yet. If it's half empty, that's good because it must mean I've drunk half of it. Right? And if it's a glass of foul-tasting medicine, how does that asffect the half glass test?
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