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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 8:49am | IP Logged | 1
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Robert I see your point, but then I see it a different way. A piece of original comic art is a one of a kind piece. Nobody else has it. Just the owner. If anything in this medium can justify and sustain a high dollar price tag, I would think that this is it.
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John Popa Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 8:57am | IP Logged | 2
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But for half a mil...if I even had that kind of bread to throw around, I'd only do it for my favorite Frazetta original painting. Even then, I'd be over paying, I just wouldn't care.
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So, if it's your favorite artist it makes sense as an indulgence but since it's not your favorite artist it's ridiculous?
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Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10942
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 3
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Original comic book art is no different than an original painting - there's only one piece of each page. So the fine art rules apply, and the market will pay what it pays. I like the comic art is in the financial realm of paintings. It's just as valid a form of original art as a painting. There are several comic book art pages that I would like to own long before I would buy pieces that are in today's museums. That's not a slam on museums - I love the art in museums and visiting museums. It's just that I have a deeper connection to a lot of comic books.
So bravo to my fellow nerds who are more well off than me - this looks like the result of a bidding war, and it was worth the fight. It's a fantastic piece.
Ever since I saw this, I can't help but think Nick Cage was one of the bidders and the reason this is so high. But I think that is just becasue he's been in the news lately!
I am hoping Terry Austin puts his pages up soon. There are some significant JB/Austin X-Men pages I am dying to see out on the market.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 May 2011 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | 4
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So, if it's your favorite artist it makes sense as an indulgence but since it's not your favorite artist it's ridiculous?===== Not exactly, there are a lot of factors IMO, that determine whether "the juice is worth the squeeze" when deciding what a piece are art is worth to an individual. In this case a piece of comic art that was created for reproduction, was never really intended to be hung as an actual piece of art. "The Destroyer" by Frank Frazetta in its current incarnation was. Also, there is an inherent quality to a piece that goes beyond a person's personal taste. This is nothing against Miller and Janson's work, but there pen and ink over pencil page isn't in the same ballpark as the Frazetta painting I'm referring to. Also, both Miller and Janson are still living, and as of Tuesday, Frazetta will have been gone for a year. There will be no more Frazetta paintings made ever again.
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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 December 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 9:49am | IP Logged | 5
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"It might be easy enough to dismiss this as just being what the buyer can "afford" -- but that PAWN STARS incident illustrates that it soon becomes what the seller is asking. Selling price and asking price are two very different things, but if too many sellers start asking prices only the megarich can afford, the hobby withers and dies. " Would this be the hobby of collecting original artwork, or do you think insane orginal artwork prices carry over to collecting comics? I would have looked at colelcting the art as a commodity hobby that would be directed by regular laws of supply and demand. Wouldn't a lack of demand bring the prices back down until an evantual equilibrium is found?
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 6
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The thing about great art is that prices have different justifications: 1) Bragging rights. "Experts say this is the best and I'm the one who's got it , so I'm King of the Art World!" 2) Investment. Lots of people want it, if I hold on to it a bit and resell it, I'll make a profit. 3) Sentimentality: "this is the comic my wife bought for me on our first date. Sob. Blubber". 4) Subjective pricing leaves a grey area: "Adam owes me 50 K, but he can't transfer the funds to me direct because there'd be all sorts of red flags. Meanwhile, I've got a painting worth 20 K. I auction it off to him for 70 K, we're even. Plus, if he resells it, it'll go for a lot more than 20 K, since someone already paid 70 K for it."
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 7
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Another thought: I imagine that it's possible that whoever bought the Dark Knight piece might also own a lot more original art, possibly a lot of Miller/Janson stuff. If he loves their stuff enough to shell out half a mill, it's probably not the only piece he has. Let's say that he's cornered the market with 200 Miller/Janson pieces at between 500 and 3000 a page. After the half a mill page, asking price for those pages rises to maybe 5-10.000 for a while, with key splash and cover pages going 20 - 30K. Plus other artists get a hike, too. If the guy who bought the piece is an art dealer, this kind of superpriced buy is like those mechanical hares they have at dog tracks to make the dogs run faster. It raises the general price for hot pages, and then, when he's sold off a lot for inflated prices, he can sell off the Dark Knight Page itself and even at a loss, he's made money. I know there are quite a lot of price-inflating scams in the "fine art" world, and I think only a few of the comics art buyers or dealers would be able to spot one transferred to comic art collecting.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 May 2011 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | 8
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If I had the resources to buy the greatest works of high art ever created, I'd pass. What's the point of owning the Mona Lisa if you can observe the painting anytime you like with high quality digital representations in books or online, if not see it in person? The emotional content is what it's all about, not the physical object itself. "I have this and nobody else in the world does! Ha!"
As a lover of art, I can not imagine owning a piece that was actually touched by Claude Monet or Leonardo da Vinci. To look at the brush strokes and depth of color mixed within the paint. To be able to look at that level of artistic genius daily, would be so inspiring.
But that work is way beyond my price range, but comic art isn't and the very best in the industry, has as much talent, as those that painted the works of art that hang in a museum.
Why have our houses decorated? Why wear colorful clothing? it's because we humans for the most part enjoy beauty and want it around us.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 10 May 2011 at 12:40am
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Andy Ihnatko Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 9
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Joe Hollon wrote:
Adam Hughes I also don't get. I understand people liking his art and I don't question his talent. I question why he's so mega-popular. He has almost no actual comic work to his credit. A few covers here and there. You would think to be as popular as he is he would have to have some actual comic work backing him up. |
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Oh, on the contrary: he's a top-tier cover artist whose long career has emphatically merited a best-selling art book. Hardly "a few covers here and there."
If he makes only rare appearances inside a comic, it's only due to the meticulous nature of his covers and the huge demand for them.
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Peter Sullivan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 10
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I agree with John, all my recent art is by either Mike Noble or Frank Bellamy, I tend to collect the Garth strips by Frank, and anything that comes up by Mike. Have some really nice stuff from the Look-In magazine such as Famous Five, Worzel Gummidge both black and white, and some amazing colour strips of Follyfoot.What I really want is one of his Zero X or Captain Scarlet pages from TV21.
Cheers, Peter
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John Byrne
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Posted: 11 May 2011 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 11
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What I really want is one of his Zero X or Captain Scarlet pages from TV21.•• There are one or two THUNDERBIRDS spreads by Bellamy that I think I could probably find room for!
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 12 May 2011 at 8:41pm | IP Logged | 12
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Just poking around on eBay, and found a slew of overpriced pieces, including:= framed piece of original Bill Everett art from Daredevil #1 for $100,000 = Flash Comics #1 ashcan edition from 1939 for $5,000,000 = Batman #1 (rated 3.0) for $37,000
I think comic book deals are going to become very hard to find for the next little bit.
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