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Robert Bradley
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 12:37am | IP Logged | 1  

Hey Michael & Mike - why don't you take your public pissing match back to the thread where it started so we don't have to see it everywhere we go?

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Mark Haslett
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Michael: That's a pretty frigging depressing cover, all right, Flavio; looks
more appropriate for a "Death of..." issue ...

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Yeah, death by boredom.

I'd guess from the cover it's 96 spectacular pages of muscular men getting
undressed.

Hmm... Feeling strange urge... to go get this.

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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Here's an example of why nothing Superman could do would free him of accusations that he's a US government agent:

A few years back, two rather ineffectual Norwegian security contractors, French and Moland, who were "sightseeing" in the Congo got arrested. They had hired a car with a driver to get them through a jungle area and one of two possible scenarios happened:
1) In the middle of the jungle, they decided to attack and kill the driver and his two friends who were also in the car. They killed the driver by getting out of the car and shooting him with a rifle through the windshield. Then they attacked the two others by hand but let them live as they fled. The rifle was never found and never linked to them, and they surrendered other weapons they had hid while fleeing.
2) While driving through the jungle, the driver stopped and Franch and Moland were told to get out while the driver was fixing something. Suddenly someone shoots at them from the jungle, the driver gets killed, French and Moland get the driver's body out of the car and try to drive away from whoever's shooting at them.

During the trial, these two guys were accused of being spies for the Norwegian government, and the Norwegian government was asked (initially) to pay 500 billion US dollars in reparations to the families of those they had hurt.

And despite there being no murder weapon, no credible motive and the two witnesses having a stake in whatever reparations would be awarded, they got sentenced to death (commuted to life, apparently).

The point being - with no real evidence these two guys were accused of being master spies, presumably plotting some sort of Norwegian backed coup of the Congo, and Norway was asked to pay 500 billion dollars in reparations.

Trust me: if someone wants to paint Superman as an agent of the US, no amount of (fake!) renunciation of citizenship would be sufficient.

Not to mention that he would first have to declare under what name he had US citizenship so that people could check and see if he actually renounced it in a legally binding way.

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Damon Lindelof is writing comics now?
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 1:48am | IP Logged | 5  

Comparing Action #900 to Action #500 I must say the cover of #500 didn't depress me and made me actually want to buy the comic book.

 

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Thanos Kollias
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I like neither cover. The #500 one seems VERY busy to my eyes and the #900 dirty.
Of course Andru's Superman is a happy and recognizable Superman, which can't be said for the guy on the other cover.
As for Superman's citizen status, I think he has none. Clark Kent is the American citizen (and no he wasn't an illegal immigrant at any point or any other such bullshit, since he was a baby that landed on Earth without any choice. If there is any legal precedent to that or any law that covers it, I'd by happy to know. The Kents adopted him and that's the important part. After all, he was the poster boy for immigrants, not ILLEGAL immigrants back in the day).
Superman is a guy who was raised an American with American values but has traveled to, operated in and been recognized by the entire world. He doesn't need to have any citizenship...


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Francesco Vanagolli
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 3:20am | IP Logged | 7  

Wasn't this declared the "comic book story of the decade" or something?



What's so funny with truth, justice and the American Way? According to DC, everything.

A lot changed in just ten years!


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Thanos Kollias
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Well, not just DC, I'd say. The Marvel Studios thought it based to promote Captain America as the First Avenger so as not to alienate international audiences.
As part of the international audience, I have no problems with Cap or Superman. But maybe I am not a characteristic demographic...
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Philippe Negrin
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 4:29am | IP Logged | 9  

Hey Emery, seriously keeping in touch with the artistic controversy in France, are you.
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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:47am | IP Logged | 10  

Touching upon this, I came across an article quoted on the IMDb, which included this line in reference to how "mainstream media" handles comicbook related stories:

"The big media machine is talking about our favorite super heroes in spandex. You know what that means, lots of misconceptions and reactionary yellow journalism…"

Watch out for the irony! Might cut yourself!

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What's so funny with truth, justice and the American Way? According to DC, everything.

A lot changed in just ten years!

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Ten years? In the original SUPERMAN VS THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, our favorite Kryptonian was described as fighting for "Truth, Justice and the TERRAN Way!" That was thirty-five years ago!

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Posted: 29 April 2011 at 5:53am | IP Logged | 12  

Without reading the whole thread, I hope someone has already noted that that 900 number is something of a cheat. 900 issues, yes -- but this is several years ahead of the proper anniversary, since ACTION went weekly for a while, and skewed the count.
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