How embarrassing for John that his legacy will be to be remembered for standing so staunchly in the way of progress.

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It's even more embarassing, isn't it, when we consult his record. In '06 he said he was in favor of ending DADT.

Now, everybody is entitled to change their minds -- but usually it works better if such changes carry us FORWARD.

...homosexuals can live as spouses in their country.

Was just recently talking about  how embarrassing it was that my  husband and I are married in this state, but when we cross to that state, our marriage isn't recognized. 

Truthfully, Michael, I'm anxiously awaiting the first military gay-marriage.

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They won't need any fireworks for that one. The exploding heads should cover it!

Was just recently talking about  how embarrassing it was that my  husband and I are married in this state, but when we cross to that state, our marriage isn't recognized. 

Truthfully, Michael, I'm anxiously awaiting the first military gay-marriage.

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IF one of you were a commissioned officer, you'd have base housing.  Being married entitles the spouse to live there.....  It would be interesting to see how the military would handle it.

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Why would they need to "handle it" any differently from the other MQs?

A word of caution for those who think all will be well now that DADT is out.  This is just the beginning.

Smart homosexuals in uniform will understand clearly the risk of publicly come out until they see integration firmly imbedded in their respective services' regulations/OI's.  And even then, it may be smart for them to lie low for a while, depending on their operational branch.

Using Truman's executive orders to integrate the U.S. armed forces (EO's 9980 and 9981, July 1948) as a model, black officers and NCO's still had to tread lightly at first.  It wasn't like the orders were a magic wand that made everything right and true.  It took a long time for true integration to actually occur - I joined the USAF in the late 70's and there were still pockets of folks who simply didn't get it.

The integration of women into the military, while a regulatory fact, is STILL on-going,  This is due not only to resistance in the ranks, but to real-world differences in gender that still cause problems.

When DADT is truly gone, it will mark the start the of the process of integrating homosexuals in the military. IMHO, it won't become a reality for at least a generation. 

For a current example of the continuing resistance in the ranks, do some checking on the case of Maj. Margaret Witt, a USAF Reserve flight nurse with an outstanding record.  Once the "leadership" in the USAF Reserve caught wind of her being a homosexual, they proceeded to process her out after 19 years of service - 1 year shy of being eligible for retirement.

And that's just the USAF reaction.  The other services will have similar resistance to integration.