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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | 1
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I've just watched some of the extras on the Iron Man 2 Blu Ray. Ultimates are definitly what is being pushed and I find that depressing to the extreme. Don't reinvent characters, build a new character (Nick Fury). I'm sick of seeing things 'pushed' in the ultimate universe and then those things leaking in to the proper Marvel universe.----- James, this where I get pissed! And it starts with the Ultimates and there version of Nick Fury. Since The films are going more with the Ultimate line, and using Samuel L. Jackson as Nick, there are pushing A black Nick Fury down our throats. In animation, the new Avengers cartoon has a black Nick Fury, so does Wolverine and the X-Men. Now the original Nick does has a title. But, it's called Secret Warriors. Nick Fury's name doesn't appear in the title. To further push the Ultimate version down our throats, I honestly believe that they are holding back on releasing collections featuring the Marvel Universe version. With all of the various titles released in the Essential line, I find it hard to believe that Nick Fury: Agent of Shield would not get a release due to lack of interest. Also, the Kirby and Steranko works are now out of print. This happened around the time The Ultimates became a hit.
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Scott Silverstein Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 October 2007 Posts: 198
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | 2
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TALKIN LOUD and saying SOMETHING ....speak the truth Mr. Byrne....hell yeah! speak it loud and clear....the sheep gotta wake up.... "get your face off facebook and turn off the phone " ...is a great lyric in a song called wake up the nation.... There is too much sleep walking in art & society.....wake up the nation!
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133696
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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…Samuel L. Jackson as Nick…•• Still amazed that Mr. Jackson was FLATTERED by that, and didn't instead immediately call his lawyers.
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Colin Clayton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | 4
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Like most of you guys I've been reading comics since the early 70s and grew up on Conway's Spiderman and John's Avengers and FF, and still love and read that stuff but - and i'm going to get hammered here - I don't see what the problem is with today's comics. Sure they're a lot more 'adult' but the comics we read in the 70's were stronger than the stuff from the 40s and 50s...O'Neal and Adams classic Green Lantern and Green Arrow for instance or some of Gerber's stuff. I'm still as excited when I get my new parcel as i've always been and theres still a lot to be excited by out there - Hickman's Fantastic Four is putting the wonder back into the comic again, Fraction's Iron Man is so beautifully written (and drawn), Brubakers Captain America is true to what Cap has always stood for - and over at DC James Robinson is bringing his nostalgic writing style to the JLA. Sure...there will be always be stuff we don't like but hasn't that always been the case? I'd be interested to know which comics John is so angry about
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Brian Joseph Mayer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 December 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1135
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | 5
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Why?
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Robbie Cook Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 September 2004 Location: United States Posts: 266
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 6
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I say we pitch a full-feature BLACK PANTHER film starring GILBERT GOTTFRIED.
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Glenn Brenner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 December 2008 Posts: 353
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | 7
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Colin, did you sign up just to ask that question?
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5773
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | 8
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I dunno. I see the Black Panther as more of a Jack Black Project.
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Brian Hague Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 November 2006 Posts: 8515
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 9
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We already know he has the athleticism and can handle the complex combat sequences from his work on Kung Fu Panda... Black Panther has a talking motorcycle, right...?
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Felicity Walker Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 349
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | 10
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Was JB accusing Frank Miller of shitting on Eisner's memory, or was he accusing the cosplaying fan of it? To me, there's a difference, and it has to do with level of power.
JB and FM are both pros. They're free to take shots at each other and it's a fair fight. A fan, on the other hand, is more vulnerable. I could imagine that fan being quite crushed at being accused of shitting on Eisner, and leaving the forum, feeling that he had no other recourse.
That doesn't mean fans get to do anything they want and pros can't defend themselves, of course.
I can empathize with the desire to vehemently denounce things that are aesthetically offensive. I learned the hard way that some of my friends like the remakes and sequels that I hate, and that when I say these things suck, and say it as if it were objective fact and anyone who disagrees is evil, they get hurt.
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Derek S. Wilczynski Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 May 2010 Posts: 139
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | 11
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JB: Getting back to your original point, I don't think it really matters if you tell people you are pissed. Whether you shout it from the top of a moutain or broadcast it over the evening news, it doesn't really matter how you characterize it. People will interpret your mood on the topic as they want. And if they think you're bitter . . . (It's similar to athletes who give themselves their own nicknames. Can't do it. Someone else has to give you the nickname.) But in the end, I don't think it matters who is really mad, bitter, or just annoyed. The medium has changed, its going to keep changing, and there really isn't much we can do about it. What I really think is ironic about comics is that most entertainment mediums have changed for the better - t.v., movies, music (at least the distribution) are all better than they were 50 years ago. The way we get entertainment through the internet is far superior than it was in the past. We can order books, music, etc. on line now. Yet comics have just gotten "worse" in the sense that they sell a fraction of what they used to sell. Maybe its the result of so much more entertainment available so much easier that people (forget about kids) don't want to wait for comics to come out, then trudge to the store and buy them. Who knows?
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 12912
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Posted: 15 November 2010 at 9:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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Some of the best childhood memories I have are of grown-ups reading comics to me, before I could read 'em myself. I am angry I don't have any current material to read to my kids, who love the characters they meet through cartoons like The Brave and the Bold (thank Dog for that).
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