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Alex Ridell
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 Wallace Sellars wrote:
Alex, I haven't read any of the ADAM STRANGE books.  I'm headed to the comic shop today.  If you'll pick up DOOM PATROL #s 7 and 8, I'll pick up two issues (#s 1 & 2?) of ADAM STRANGE.  (Please see my previous post concerning reviews.)

sounds like a deal to me, Wallace. i will grab DP #7-8.

if they're in stock, i would suggest picking up #1-2, if only because the story really opens with a bang, but you should be able to jump on anywhere without much problem.

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 Alex Ridell wrote:

 Wallace Sellars wrote:
Alex, I haven't read any of the ADAM STRANGE books.  I'm headed to the comic shop today.  If you'll pick up DOOM PATROL #s 7 and 8, I'll pick up two issues (#s 1 & 2?) of ADAM STRANGE.  (Please see my previous post concerning reviews.)

sounds like a deal to me, Wallace. i will grab DP #7-8.

if they're in stock, i would suggest picking up #1-2, if only because the story really opens with a bang, but you should be able to jump on anywhere without much problem.

Will do, Alex!

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Adam Strange is a good one.
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Mike Conte - here's my review of Savage Dragon #118 (and Jacob Secrest, I haven't forgotten about Mary Jane. I had to order it online.)

I've known about Savage Dragon ever since it debuted in the early 90's, yet this is the very first time I've actually sat down and read an issue. SD is not a book I deliberately set out to avoid. To me it was just one of those titles that got lost in the tidal wave of product of that era.

The one thing that stands out in SD is the umistakable Marvel influence. There's the Negative Zone, a Shield hovercar, the down-to-earth, everyman hero and his close-knit family.

Quite a bit goes on in this issue. Without spoiling the story, the Dragon finds himself unwillingly involved in the Presidential elections. It seems like this is the beginning of storyline that satirizes American politics, which could be interesting.

The art is lively and colorful. Some elements are very comic strip-like, especially in the depiction of SD's surrogate children. It's an abbreviated sort of style which tries to communicate energy above all else. It doesn't click with me, but I can see how others can really get into it.  

I'm not sure if I'll get the following issue. It's more likely I would hunt up some back issues to get a feel for the chacaters before deciding whether to read this regularly. Thanks for the suggestion, Michael.

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lest my silence be misinterpreted, i'm just popping in to say that i picked up and read DP #7-8 yesterday, and i will be posting detailed reviews for both as per my agreement with Wallace. i was sick last night and i went to bed early before i got a chance to post.

now i'm at work. bleh.

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ADAM STRANGE #s 1 & 2
Andy Diggle - story
Pascal Ferry - art
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Background

Yesterday, Alex and I agreed to a trade - his reading DOOM PATROL #s 7 & 8 in exchange for me reading ADAM STRANGE #s 1 & 2.  Well, I was able to grab both issues of AS on the way to school yesterday, and I read them last night before drifting off into Slumberland.

First of all, let me start by saying that my exposure to the character of Adam Strange has been pretty limited.  I vaguely recall a "comic book panel" style television program years ago featuring Strange narrated by a nameless voice and illustrated by a slow succession static images.  More recently, I saw a dead Adam Strange in Alan Davis's JLA: THE NAIL.  So before reading my two issues of ADAM STRANGE, I knew that the protagonist was a "regular" Earthman who, when transported there by something called the zeta-beam, became the hero of the world Rann, but not much else. 

Issue #1

The cover features a closeup of Strange's face.  I generally prefer covers that are representative of the action inside, but first issues get a pass on this because usually the character is being introduced.  The only problem I had with the cover art (and, unfortunately, this continues on the interior pages) is the lack of black!  I prefer strong, dynamic black lines for superhero comic book artwork, and Ferry just doesn't use those here.  The lines and colors have that Dreamwave thing going on.  Don't get me wrong; the artwork isn't unattractive.  The lines and colors are not totally unpleasant to the taste; it's just not (Dare I say it?) the cup of tea I would order.  THE RETURN of ADAM STRANGE title text is smooth, but not overdone, and the first three words let everyone know that this isn't a new hero.

Diggle has a clear story to tell, and does a good job of setting things up and letting that story unfold.  He starts by introducing Adam Strange to readers who don't know him, and reintroducing him to those who do.  Having Strange recount his fantastic story to a skeptical law enforcement officer drilling him about his past feels natural, and it works well in the context of the story.  We learn of Adam's trips to Rann via the zeta-beam, his otherworld wife Alanna and daughter Aleea, and of the supernova destruction of that world while Adam is on Earth.  Superman showing up in Adam's flashback is a good way to establish Strange's place in the DCU, and it doesn't feel forced.   In a world populated by Batman, Wonder Woman and the Flash, you'd think that people would be a bit more open-minded about meeting a superhero, but Adam has no luck convincing Johnny Law of who he is.  (And to Diggle's credit, he does address this.)  Strange escapes his captors, but runs headlong into a hostile alien who thinks he knows something about the Rann situation.  It is here that we get the first inkling that all is not as it seems regarding the planet's destruction.  We also get to see Strange in action for a second time, and it's pleasing to see that Strange is brave and resourceful without his gadgets!  Strange dispatches his alien abductor in record time, but must now face a new armored foe if he wishes to get the answers he so desperately seeks.

Issue #2

The cover of this issue features an anguished Adam Strange against the backdrop of space, and since that accurately depicts an element of the story inside, you'll hear no complaints from me!  The title now reads simply ADAM STRANGE.

We rejoin the title character in the midst of his battle with the armored bounty hunter who shows up at the end of the first issue.  Since Adam now has a jetpack (taken off his first attacker), we get to see some of his flight fight skills at work.  Once again, Strange is triumphant, but still has no idea who is sending bounty hunters after him, or why.  (The relationship between Adam's first and second attackers earned a silent chuckle from me.)  Adam is inspired to go back to his ruined apartment and don his uniform.  This uniform is not the one I remember from my youth, and it is not the one featured in the first issue's flashback retelling of Strange's origin.  The original is great, and while the redesign remains somewhat faithful to the first, it follows the Ultimate trend of seams and excessive accessory "bulking" that I dislike.  After eluding the cops once again, Strange uses a zeta-beamer off of the second alien to visit Rann Space, so he can check out the supernova situation up close and personal.

Unfortunately for Adam (but fortunately for readers), zeta-beam matter transport system failure + flight control system failure + imminent cooling system failure + imminent radiation shielding failure + an expanding shell of superheated plasma = one heckuva cliffhanger!

Conclusion

I'm not normally a fan of futuristic, planet-hopping heroes, but Diggle has sparked enough of my interest that I'll probably pick up the next issue to (hopefully) find out what happened to Rann.  I'd like to see what a different artist, inker and colorist might do with this series.

Whether I end up following Adam Strange's adventures on a regular basis or not, I'm indebted to Alex Ridell for giving me a reason to try this title.  Thanks, Alex!

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 Zoran Bekric wrote:

How many non-Doom Patrol readers are there likely to be on this board?


/raises hand

Didn't care for "Tenth Circle."  DP #1 failed the "flip to see if it grabs me" test.

As Bruce Hornsby and the Range once said, "That's just the way it is."

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 Paul Greer wrote:

Just try one issue of Doom Patrol, and suggest a book that someone on the board hasn't tried and we'll make a swap. What have you got to lose besides three bucks? I'm willing to try something new if you guys are.



Well, with the money situation at home being so tight right now, and having to currently rely upon the kindness of the store owner to hold on to several months' worth of books for me currently (since he knows that, once the finances are flowin' again, they'll be bought)...that three bucks is pretty important right now.
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I already reviewed WE3 #2 as part of my swap with Peter Hicks. This week #1came in on backorder. Since issue three was on the shelf I bought that as well. This is all part of my sneaky way to try and convince Peter to try DP #8 and read the conclusion of the Devolutionist story.

Reading issue one after issue two did answer a few questions I had about certain characters. However, to Morrison's credit you could have picked up any one of the three issue mini-series and still been able to follow the premise of the story. Issue one was a great deal like issue two with very little dialogue. The sequence of the animal's escaping as told through the security cameras was very well done. Quitely has a real Geof Darrow quality to his work. Insanely detailed and good at panel to panel storytelling.
Buying issue three was a good idea. This issue made the whole story for me. As I said in my review of number two, I didn't feel connected to the animals enough to care if they lived or died. But the introduction to the homeless man who wanted to care for the animals made the story more endearing. The fact that the animals were killing machines left me cold. When they found they could trust this man and he helped them escape the government gave something you could attach yourself to. Overall I'm glad I did the trade with Peter. This book while very violent shows that anything that kills can also love and be loved.

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 Wallace Sellars wrote:

Yesterday, Alex and I agreed to a trade - his reading DOOM PATROL #s 7 & 8 in exchange for me reading ADAM STRANGE #s 1 & 2.



indeed we did, and now that i'm both at home and not asleep, i can finally post my review of Doom Patrol #7-8. while i've read and enjoyed a few issues of some previous incarnations of Doom Patrol, i'm not especially familiar with the team or the characters, so i approached this as basically a blank slate waiting to be filled.

Doom Patrol #7:

We definitely start off on the right foot here, since there's a gorilla on the cover. I loves me some gorillas in superhero comics, and I love comics that take advantage of the wide range of possibilities the medium provides. The art on the cover is energetic and fun, straight-up superhero action. So far, so good.

We open on Christmas Day, with Harbor City, Oregon in flames. A young girl (I will later learn she is a telepath called Nudge) rolls up in a cab to find a battle in progress, pitting several her teammates against one of their number who has inexplicably been transformed into a giant gorilla. Nudge wonders how things got to this point, and we flash back to the previous day. After a Christmas celebration for the team and a brief interlude with a mysterious Civil War vet, the Chief explains that the computer has tracked the source of a number of unexplained animal-related phenomena to Harbor City, which just so happens to be Nudge's hometown.

The team flies to Harbor City and finds itself in battle with a bunch of prehistoric animals, and other creatures which seem to be shifting up and down the evolutionary ladder. Nudge runs off, tries to contact her estranged family, and gets scared off by her bratty brother. Meanwhile, a few minion-types watching the DP fighting the prehistoric monsters start zapping team members with a ray which transforms them into more primitive simians. A master villain who looks like one of the teammates (Vortex?) gloats, and we get catch up to Nudge arriving, which happens just in time to see the Martian Manhunter, who has turned into a giant green ape and beating on her team.

Doom Patrol #8:

Great cover image, with tiny Rita in Cliff's mouth. Cliff's face looks like a tribal mask. Fantastic.

We return to the rampaging green gorilla that is apparently J'onn. Nudge and Negative Man escape after Nudge fails to get through to him. The minions zap  Negative Man's empty body with the ray gun and he devolves as well.  Vortex arrives, whacks the bad guys, saves Negative Man's body and grabs the ray gun.

The effects of the ray gun wear off on Rita. Vortex reports back to the Chief, who's perplexed. The villain is lordly and mysterious. Rita takes down the rampagin Cliff as the ray wears off on J'onn, who was apparently responding to Nudge's telepathic call from the previous issue, which was intended for Faith (who's Faith?).

The DP goes back out to beat on some dinosaurs, on the way to find the master villain. Nudge and Vortex get through to the master villain, who zaps them with the devolving ray. It doesn't seem to affect Vortex, but Nudge goes ape (ha!) and tears off his mask. He screams about how she shouldn't see his face as an energy blast knocks her out. The villain hints that he knows more about Vortex, but he gets blasted as the rest of the DP comes in, leaving only an empty rubber suit. Vortex freaks out and decides not to tell his teammates what's going on.

They go back to stuff Negative Man back in his body, which has gone all normal-looking. Negative Man can't put his energy body back in his meat body, screams and flies off. Rita says his body is dead....

What I liked: The pacing is solid. In #7, Byrne starts off with a big action sequence, then flashes back to fill us in on what's led up to this point. On the way back to the beginning, he expertly interweaves character drama, set-ups for future plotlines (the Civil War vet), and the main action sequence. He spends just enough time at each point, and moves on to the next beat. Very nice.

The art is totally clear, direct, and straightforward, and suits the classic superhero mood perfectly. To refute one of the standard criticisms of Byrne, I rather like the backgrounds here, especially the classic look of the inside of the DP headquarters, as well as the villain's lair. The silver circuit-board-looking patterns on the walls and floors of the DP HQ and the retro look of both the Chief's and the villain's computers made me feel like I was 14 again, reading West Coast Avengers. The vehicles and technology are also super-streamlined and cool-looking.

What I didn't like: The dialogue is, well... bad. It's too exposition-heavy, and while that does help me as a new reader get up to speed, a recap page would do the same without crippling the dialogue. It doesn't sound like any human being would speak, and that sucks the wind out of any emotional moments, like Nudge trying to contact her family. Worse, in at least one case, it totally warped the apparent intent. The Christmas scene was supposed to be sweet, I would imagine, with the Chief as a gruff but loveable grandfatherly figure. However, the dialogue was wooden enough that the characters seemed alien, and the apparent warmth became creepy in the way that dolls and clowns can be creepy. Instead of coming across as warm and grandfatherly, the Chief kind of came off like the kind of uncle who buys you presents after he touches your naughty bits. Brrr.

The characters and situations also struck me as being somewhat generic. In my head, Cliff sounds exactly like Ben Grimm. The villain strikes me as a fairly off-the-rack mysterious evil genius. His mysterious connection to Vortex would interest me if I was at all interested in Vortex as a character. Nudge's family melodrama and the hints that she has more potential than she realizes are also pretty standard stuff. The young and insecure one is secretly really powerful - we've seen this before, and, unfortunately done better.

Overall: Technically solid, but lifeless. This book gets from point A to point B like a Swiss watch, but the combination of the dialogue and the uninteresting characterization left me feeling flat. It seems like a formal exercise for the sake of a formal exercise, a book that's just going through the motions. Probably not going to buy any more issues.

Grade: C-

Thank you to Wallace for checking out Adam Strange. Even though I didn't get into DP, I think this swap is a great idea. In a market like this, we've got to bring each other's attention to books that need it, because the publishers aren't going to do it for us.
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Tomas - I was able to snag She-Hulk 9 & 10 yesterday. I read 9
last night and thought it was great! I laughed out loud in a few
places. I will post a full review when I read 10, but I wanted to
post an update as I may have to leave town in the morning.

Alex, refernces to incest when talkking about someones work
are really uncalled for and unnecessary. Talk about bad
dialogue, I've never seen such poor word choice in a review! I
disagree with the dialogue issues you have - I think JB has a
knack for distinctive dialogue that matches each character's
voice. To each his own of course, but i must admit I find your
criticism unclear - you say it's wooden and incestual and talk
about scenes, but which lines are you talking about and how is
it so? I don't understand.

When I try mainstream hero comic books these days, I feel the
dialogue is cutesy and flippant. JB's dialogue does stand in
stark contrast in that the dialogue serves the characters and
story very well.

Glad you at at least tried the books, Alex. I see you're new here
- welcome. If you haven't been reading JB's books, what
brought you to this JB fan forum? How did you hear about it?
Have you been lurking before?   


(capitalization, of all things)

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 Tim O'Neill wrote:


Glad you at at least tried the books, Alex. I see you're new here
- welcome. If you haven't been reading JB's books, what
brought you to this JB fan forum? How did you hear about it?
Have you been lurking before?   



every so often, i go a-lurkin' in the DC forums, though i don't post there, because the fanboys there annoy the beejeezus out of me. i like to see what they're saying though, so i can get a feel for what other people think.

anyway, i was poking around the Adam Strange thread and saw something rododom2005 posted about the comic swap. i thought that it was a brilliant idea, so i decided to come check you folks out, and i lurked here for a little bit until i just jumped into some thread or another and shot my mouth off.

hi! sorry about the incest reference - i didn't mean to be inappropriate. the Chief just creeped me out.
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Thanks Alex. Regarding the dialogue, I find your
criticism unclear - you say it's wooden and incestual and talk
about scenes, but which lines are you talking about and how is
it so? I don't understand.
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