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Kevin Hagerman
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Yes, yes, people have imaginations. Is THAT the point you were trying to make? We may finally be getting somewhere!
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Jeremiah Avery
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I pre-ordered this book off of Amazon.com, looking forward to reading it. In the write-up for it, Hawking makes the remark how they'll try to answer the question to "life, the universe and everything" but that the answer won't be "42".
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Keith Thomas
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Yes, yes, people have imaginations. Is THAT the point you were trying to make? We may finally be getting somewhere! Obviously they do, my point was you're not going to convince people who believe in God he doesn't exist as long as there are unknown aspects of the universe. Were we not somewhere already?
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Ian M. Palmer
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These kids were victims of poor religious upbringing - blame goes to the parents. I'd like to confess to that. I'd also like to confess to poor racist upbringing, poor violent upbringing, poor stupid upbringing... IMP.
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Kevin Hagerman
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[M]y point was you're not going to convince people who believe in God he doesn't exist as long as there are unknown aspects of the universe. ------------- Then I'll just have to make sure those people know I think they're idiots. Not as noble a cause, but when you're dealing with idiots...
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John Byrne
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This is an interesting concept -- the answer to the "unknowns" in the Universe is. . . . something even more unknowable (God)."There are some things Man was not meant to know" "satisfied" people for a long time -- until those who refused to be satisfied, even under threat of torture and death, started probing into the things Man was not meant to know, and pretty soon women were not dying in childbirth, and kids were more and more often living past their fifth birthday.
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Ian M. Palmer
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If that's a plausible origin to believe for the universe why isn't that a plausible origin to believe for God? Because the universe exists? We don't need a plausible origin for God for the same reason that we don't need one for Mickey Mouse: because we have the source text. One of the less vicious Christian responses on Yahoo said something like, "If Hawking's so clever, can he explain the soul?" Sorry, the what? Show him one, and perhaps he'll think about it. Many of the more vicious ones said, "If he's so clever, why can't he walk?" Not only gobsmackingly stupid, but also proof that all that "God is love" stuff is a barefaced lie. IMP.
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John Byrne
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One of the less vicious Christian responses on Yahoo said something like, "If Hawking's so clever, can he explain the soul?" Sorry, the what? Show him one, and perhaps he'll think about it.•• It's all too chillingly reminiscent of the Brawndo/electrolytes "discussion" in IDIOCRACY.
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Eric Smearman
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It's got electrolytes.
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Kevin Hagerman
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Yes, but what are electrolytes?
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Eric Smearman
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It's what plants crave...?
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Koroush Ghazi
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I'm not as intelligent as Stephen Hawking, but I do know enough to know that we cannot be certain whether there was/is a creator, creators, or other forces at work. I don't believe in 'God', but there are many other possibilities that may be outside our current realm of understanding.In my opinion, it seems the people who are absolutely certain that there is no creator are seeking the same comfort in false certainty that religious people seek, and both extremes are wrong.
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