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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 09 June 2010 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 1  


My only concern is that if the Sun's nuclear fusion was suddenly"upset" by all that extra material, would we need to also havecontrol-rod rockets and water-filled rockets standing by?
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Monte, please tell me you aren't serious. throwing anything into the sun would be like building a bonfire and trying to put it out with a drop of water.

I live in Southern Louisiana, and I'm not jumping to some of the conclusions I've read here.
First, Why do we drill this deep offshore? Because somebody decided it was a bad idea to drill in Alaska.
Second, I resent the idea of "DRILL BABY, DRILL!" I'm all for the drilling of oil but I also believe in the research and development of alternative sources of energy. Right now, oil is the best we got.
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No, no, she's got a good point - it was one thing that made me nervous about nuclear energy for a long time - if one reactor goes bad, a whole city could go out - as opposed to, you know, the regular nickle and dime deaths here and there of coal miners, etc, to be hideously blunt.

But I looked into it, and it turns out that there aren't a lot of accidents - the Russian one happened due to massive failure at every level, so as long as we prepare against that...?

And the waste isn't as bad as we think, at least from my reading - the waste that comes out of a factory can be stored in a shoe-box - it's small ammounts, and they are currently burrying it in a concrete vault way underneath Nevada, though I'm thinking that's going to come back to bite us in the future, and am all for throwing it in the sun.

Now, as for private business - I am with Jodi on this one 100% - let us be perfectly clear - the free market only cares about making more money, and things like skilled workers and safety measures only cut into the bottom line, so I'd have to say that I would not trust private enterprise to handle nuclear energy.

And then, the next step to that is, having the government run it, which I would feel safe about, but then it would cause serious hurt to the private energy companies, since nuclear power is so much cheaper. So they would launch a campaign to stop nuclear energy that would make the fake outrage over health care and the phoney tea-baggings and the mock outrage all look like a second grade school play.

And, no matter who is on guard at the plant, how do we deal with human error? No one is a professional anymore - America has gone out of it's way to become dumber and lazier in my lifetime. When I was a kid - even in hippy liberal San Francisco, you wouldn't dream of seeing some toothless hillbilly methhead walking around the whulmurt in their PJs, picking at open scabs and letting flies buzz in and out of their beer-drenched gaping maws, so... you know... where are our best and brightest who would control these facilities? That scares me a little, too...

So... there are a number of things to consider. But my studies show that nuclear energy is the safest and most cost-effective energy, so... you know, make of that what you will.

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And the waste isn't as bad as we think, at least from my reading - the waste that comes out of a factory can be stored in a shoe-box - it's small ammounts, and they are currently burrying it in a concrete vault way underneath Nevada, though I'm thinking that's going to come back to bite us in the future, and am all for throwing it in the sun

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Ah. See, the stuff I've read says that the nuclear waste is buried in a concrete vault underneath Nevada too. The interesting thing about such vaults, is they have hazardous materials warning signs all over the place in different languages. And in pictographs. 

Why pictographs? Well, when humanity is extinct in a few million years, and other life forms develop language and intelligence (or aliens visit the Earth) they want the signs to be legible to someone who doesn't know our words or our species at all. 

Think about that. Think about the TIME FRAME of nuclear waste. As long as human beings exist, nuclear waste will be around. It will literally outlast us.

The Sun is a clever idea, but how do we deal with human error there? A rocket with waste blowing up in the atmosphere is going to send a cloud of radioactive death in areas much larger than one city. 

No, I think we need something else. Something that doesn't have waste. Like wind. Like solar power. Like hydro power. Sun's not going anywhere, and any solar power not absorbed by a station would be hitting the Earth anyway. Same with wind - it's blowing anyway. If some of it doesn't turn a windmill, it's not like it's any more dangerous than it was before it went past the windmill. 


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Well, I have no problem with wind power - or any natural power, but thus far, nothing is as efficiant or powerful or cost-effective as nuclear.

But our current Engergy Secretary has some pretty awesome ideas, so I'm open to whatever he suggests.

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I think if we plunk the money into making the technology more efficient, we could use solar power exclusively for pretty much everything. 

Even with current tech, if we covered our roofs with solar panels instead of shingles, if we had solar panels on our hospitals, if businesses and stadiums and arenas were covered in solar panels, then my goodness, there would be a LOT less energy required RIGHT NOW. Schools, university dorms, garages, garden sheds in the back yard... what do we need them to have clear roofs for? Cover them in solar panels! If a house on the grid is for sale and currently unoccupied, either it amasses a solid battery charge for the next occupant or it's free energy for the houses around until a new family moves in. 

I'm not saying a roof covered in solar panels would power everything in the house, but it would cut into things a fair chunk. 
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Posted: 09 June 2010 at 10:42pm | IP Logged | 6  

The thing is, we have to get to the point we will do all we can, to cut down on the non important uses of oil. Like the amount of disposable items we make and use each year. Something as simple as bottled water and the amount of plastic that uses, is mind boggling. When I was a kid, we used glass pop bottles that you returned to the store for 10 cents, a fully recyclable item and we went to plastic bottles in vending machines and plastic 2 liter bottles for home use.
 
To be honest I have no real hope, clean renewable energy, will happen before we f things up so badly, it will be too late to make any real progress in a survivable environment  I used to think we would, but with the current tide of rewarding stupidity and demonizing intelligence, I have become very cynical.


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Have you guys seen our Energy Secretaries plan for colleting solar energy? By laying down cells in the desert? Blanketing the floors of deserts to collect solar energy?

The guy is awesome! And of course, the Republicans keep trying to blow him off because he's a man of science, not some idol worshiper or whatever voodoo it is that they believe in.

goddamnitsomuch...!!!

I hate to give Schwartzenegger any credit for anything, but as gov here in California, he's made some amazing strides with alternative energy and using solar in certain parts of the state.

The thing is - there are people out there with the knowledge and willpower to do it - it's just that they need funding and support, and governmental support is blocked by partisan games and fundemantalist religious fanatacism, and the funding can be hard to come by, as the existing energy powers don't want anyone to cut into their profits and thus they spend tons of money to support opposition.

Like, basically... anyone remember having a shitty room-mate in college and you want to clean the apartment, but you can't do it with them around, so you wait for them to go home on vacation and then you clean and remodel the place? If we could get the Republicans to go on vacation for a few years, we could get energy rolling in the right direction and get that ball rolling too hard to stop so when they get back, all their anti-science and anti-book-learnin' crying won't be able to un-do what we can get done.

Just saying.

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I honestly believe the answer lies with water. Imagine burning the Hydrogen to run your car engine and the exhaust would be good Oxygen. The question becomes how to make a fission reactor safe and small.
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Mike, serious question here.  What happens to all that solar power once it's absorbed?  We don't have the high capacity batteries for long term storage.  So, it's either use it now or it's lost.  There aren't a lot of major cities (some, but not many) in the desert that could use that electricity.  The technology for most alternate energy sources just isn't there yet.

Speaking of solar panels, what about the costs of construction?  Gotta mine the materials needed and then manufacture the actual products.  Solar power may be free, but collecting it is expensive and could be dangerous as well.  Link

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Yeah, that's why I'm pushing for nuclear. But once we can get over the obstacles of solar, that would be ok, too.
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The sad thing about all this is that its not catastrophic enough to make the government realize we need to get off oil, since most politicians are in the pockets of the oil companies.

I almost think the only way we'll ever get off oil is when its close to being non-existent!

I can think of several reasons to get off oil and develop self-sustaining and cleaner fuel. But here are my top 3, in no particular order:

1. No dependence on foreign countries....or invading them....for fuel.

2. Cleaner enviornment, including things like this oil spill not happening.

3. Would seriously screw over the Middle East if oil is rendered obsolete.

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Posted: 10 June 2010 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 12  

Barack Obama, while in some respects justified against BP, seems to be on a collision course with some British politicans.



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