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Joseph Gauthier
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The LA Times proper, as opposed to it's op-ed section, appears to be treating the issue fairly. I'm not even looking at this as a matter of issue. Like everyone else, I understand that the President can't swim to the bottom of the ocean and suck the oil up with a straw; and I've not been critical of his subsative response to the crisis. Though if he does push full steam ahead with cap and trade as he may have indicated he might, I'll blast him on his political response- but that hasn't happened yet. My interest at this point, and my line of discussion here has been focused on the impotence of the man's Oval Office address, and on the savagery of response from the news media.
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Matt Reed
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I was making a differentiation between front page news and back page Op-Ed discussion. I don't read everything printed in the US, obviously, but my sampling of the LA Times specifically seems to point not to a savage response from them nor a compassionate response either. They are just printing the news in what I read as fair and balanced. The savagery comes in the form of Op-Ed, which is where it should be, and not splashed on the front page of newspapers and magazines as a huckster's trick to sell copies.
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Paulo Pereira
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Jeez, what a fucking pack of scumbags:
BP Tells Cleanup Workers They'll Be Fired If They Wear Respirators
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Joseph Gauthier
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I agree with what you're saying, Matt. I only wanted to make clear exactly what angle I'm comming at this from.
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Greg McPhee
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Further to my previous post, I think again, that if the British public thinks Obama was aiming his comments at the British public in general, well, once again, we have a case where I'm going to use phrases like 'pull their collective heads out of their collective asses.'
As a Canadian, who is highly critical of every word and action that comes out of Washington DC, I gotta say that any of your country men who think that Obama's ass-kicking comment was directed at them personally (and generally) and not the specific BP execs ultimately responsible, are pretty stupid, myopic, and otherwise overly sensitive and full of themselves. =========================================== Why should we pull our heads out of our asses, Al? Britain has been loyal to America for years, and vice versa. Now Obama comes along and seems to forget all that when convenient.
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Al Cook
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Good grief Greg! He wasn't talking about BRITAIN!!!!!!
He was talking about a British Corporation! If Brits can't make the distinction between the two, then YES, Brits need to pull their heads out of their asses.
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Greg McPhee
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Having read his memoirs, he does come across as being very anti-British, and I don't mean this whole thing to start as a "war of words" between you and me, Al.
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Greg McPhee
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Read this to see where I am coming from in part, Al; http://hubpages.com/hub/British-American-Relations-Is-Obama- Anti-British
Edited by Greg McPhee on 19 June 2010 at 6:11pm
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Al Cook
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A ton of mind reading going on there, and certainly some of the overly-sensitive stuff that I've referenced already showing its head. And some valid points.
But seriously, Greg? You had all of this in mind when you referenced the "ass kicking" statement and I said that was not about Britian? Then you argue that point with me back and forth, then finally reveal that there was a whole lot more going on in your mind from other sources and other issues and incidents, all the while I was only discussing that one? Then you tell me you don't want this to become a war of words? Then why didn't you bring all of this up at the outset? Sheesh!
I'm not mad, I'm just frustrated. And part of it is that I've been having frustrating discussions with people elsewhere here, and I don't mean to take that out on you.
I'm gonna call a gentlemen's "Let's Agree To Disagree" on this one and go have an ice cream cone.
Even though I'd love to meet you at the pub and buy a pint and enjoy some decent fish and chips, I'll make due. There's a good ice cream place at the end of my street and it's stinking hot here today.
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Al, I think you are right we'll agree to disagree, and leave it at that. I don't want to cause offence, and the way things come across in print isn't how we would debate face-to-face. Sorry if I have been a bit slap dash in my approach to this debate. As I said, face-to-face things might be clearer. By the way, I'll go for a pint (or 2 or 3 or 4 or....) anytime. Greg
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Joe Zhang
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"Constantly referring to BP Plc as 'British Petroleum',"
Well, that's their name, isn't it?
"Upon entering the Oval Office he immediately returned a valuable bespoke bust of Winston Churchill to Britain. The bust, which is highly thought of in British political circles, was given to the George Bush on loan by Tony Blair. "
It's a symbol of GWB and Blair's political partnership. With both men out of office, why keep it around?
"The UK lent its full support to the US in their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and has seen their young men return in coffins as a result, and they continue to do so. It should be remembered that the British lost 255 soldiers in 'The Falklands War' in 1992, Obama's lack of gratitude or respect is more than apparent."
So, the sacrifice of brave British soldiers should be used to pardon the catastrophic idiocy of BP executives? Nuts!
Edited by Joe Zhang on 19 June 2010 at 8:29pm
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"Well, that's their name, isn't it?"----- The company's official name has been "BP" for a couple of decades now. It's like AT&T or HSBC: the initials are now the name.
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