Oh absolutely. It's not really about liking or disliking it - which is a matter of personal taste (I actually both like and dislike parts of it). But it changed the way some people thought comics should be and it still has that strong hold over many high-profiled creators today. I see it in basically everything I've read that has the name Mark Millar attached to it, for example.

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It's very possible to like something and still regret the amount of influence it's had. I feel that way about THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

Patrick Surles wrote: (Oh, and a side-note - we're still doing the "M*****" shtick? Really?)

"We're" not doing anything.  Some people are.  Some people aren't.  Contrary to popular opinion, we're not a hive mind here nor do we require that everyone follow lockstep.  If you want to type M*****, go ahead.  If you want to type Marvel, knock yourself out.  Pretty simple.  No harm, no foul.

I have to wonder if when Frank Miller and Alan Moore produced DKR and Watchmen if they ever intended for them to be such a huge influence on the comic book industry.

It seems to me, it is other people who have taken the themes and ideas presented in these mini-series, and tried to incorporate them in to every avenue they can in comics as this is the only way they think comics can be done now.

I say it's a swerve. I'll guess that The Blob is joining the X-Men and it's ketchup we're seeing on that symbol.

Man, I could SO run Marvel.

Aw, for fuck's sake... Even a quick skim of Moore's oeuvre will show that he loves super-heroes. Supreme was practically a love letter to the Silver Age Superman. Just because someone doesn't appreciate a character exactly the way you do doesn't mean they "hate" it.

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A quick skim, yes. Actually reading the material might produce another verdict.

Joe Zhang wrote: "I actually kind of agree with Patrick."

Well, THAT put the kiss of death on the kid!

(Joking, Joe! Joking!)

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You really see WATCHMEN as somehow at odds with the rest of Moore's output?