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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2006 Posts: 3297
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 7:38am | IP Logged | 1
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Again, insurance companies are businesses. They make less profit than soda makers, retail stores or HOSPITALS. If they make no profit, than they go away and no one has insurance. So they, like any other business, have to constantly make decisions regarding their business practices. Unfortunately, their decisions involve sick people. So there's always emotion, and hyperbole, involved. They aren't perfect. But they are certainly not the bad guys. ******** After what my wife went through because one of these companies wanted to protect their profit margin, all I can say is stick it where the sun don't shine. I hope it never happens to a member of your family. They have a smaller profit margin that all of the above, but they also have less overhead.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3601
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 2
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Again, insurance companies are businesses. They make less profit than soda makers, retail stores or HOSPITALS. If they make no profit, than they go away and no one has insurance. So they, like any other business, have to constantly make decisions regarding their business practices. Unfortunately, their decisions involve sick people. So there's always emotion, and hyperbole, involved. They aren't perfect. But they are certainly not the bad guys.
Insurance companies are one of the single largest factors in the rising cost of health care. Sure they are a business and as such seek better seals for them selves & etc. I posit that the health of the nation should not be a for profit institution...There is plenty of money to be made off of "optional" insurances...Life/Car/Pet/Home etc...
We as a nation should simply agree on some basic priorities...
1. Our nation should have an easily mobilized protective force...just in case.
2. Our citizens should be healthy, and we should do things that encourage that health.
3. Every citizen should be provided an education, and the opportunity to create a career for themselves.
We can do these things. I believe that if our lawmakers would think of what benefits the country instead of what can help them stay in office or pay for more campaigning we would all be happier for it.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:00am | IP Logged | 3
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Insurance companies are all scumbags.
William sorry about what happened. It happens to lots of us.
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1920
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:17am | IP Logged | 4
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Yes, the insurance companies are evil for trying to make a profit. The thing is, these insurance regulation problems could have been addressed without creating a new federal beauracracy and all the new mandates on individuals. Seriously, what in the hell does student loans have to do with health care?
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:25am | IP Logged | 5
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Making a profit off of denying people procedures? Off of bankrupting them? Jeff cut it out.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:53am | IP Logged | 6
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Individually, the people in the insurance industry are not evil. But you know, some of the greatest evils in history have been done by folks who were "just following orders."
Edited by Joe Zhang on 25 March 2010 at 8:54am
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 8:57am | IP Logged | 7
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"The thing is, these insurance regulation problems could have been addressed without creating a new federal beauracracy and all the new mandates on individuals. "
In other words, insurance regulation problems could have been solved by more self-regulation. Which was what got the banks in trouble and took the rest of the world down with them.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 9:09am | IP Logged | 8
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Even though I lean right, it is hard for me to defend insurance companies..the capitalist in me understands the need to make a profit, but the consumerist in me feels that, moral issues aside, a company must provide the service that their customers paid for, and that trumps all for me. My big issue with them is that their business model relies on finding ways to NOT service their customers...I can't think of any other form of business that gets away with this. They are also practice one of the only still-legalized forms of discrimination - a 20-year-old can be the safest driver in the world, with no accidents on record, yet he or she is forced to pay much more for service no matter what. If that's ok, if there was a statistic that Black people are more prone to get into car accidents, shouldn't it be ok to make them pay more as well, under the same principle? Of course it isn't, for obvious reasons, so why is it ok to discriminate on age?
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 9
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No Joe, the federal government could have imposed new regulations on the insurance companies. Instead, they gave them over 30 million new paying customers.
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 9:21am | IP Logged | 10
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"We need to change the end-of-life culture. Most people are woefully unprepared for the inevitable and many resources are spent in vain. But not all - there is a place for expensive and unneeded care. Nearly every treatment used today was outrageously expensive in its genesis. It gets really bad when doctors say its time to pack it in and families just can't do it. We've left patients to languish on ventilators for days and days until the clan could be gathered together to be there when grandpa "passes". Never mind that grandpa passed three days and $9000 ago. If you had to stay in a $1500 hotel room every night waiting for your brother to drive from Yellowknife to Buenos Aires, wouldn't that seem a ridiculous waste? And yet that's going on all over the place, all the time." I wonder what could be used to correct this? I know DEATH PANELS! Who would have ever guessed that Hagerman agrees with Palin? I'm joking with you Kevin...just in case you don't get it...
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 11
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Sounds a lot like Hitler thinking to me. Newsweek story: "The Case For Killing Granny" or something like that argued old people cost too much at the end of their lives so we should give them a good push!
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Roy Linfred Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 March 2010 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 12
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Perhaps if they spent there resources creating incentives for healthy behaviors and covering preventative care we'd have less trouble with chronic health problems in this country. |
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Insurance companies spend a lot of time and money trying to get their insured individuals preventative care. I have a very close relative that works for one the largest insurance companies in the US, and all I can say is that their is a lot of mis-information in this thread. William it sounds like you went thru a very personal experience, and I empathize with what you went thru, so please don't take any of my comments personally. People hear cases where someone has an illness, and the doctor will prescribe a package of care. The insurance company says that they consider the treatment and experimental, and it costs more than what is reasonable and customary, and they don't want to be funding what could be classified as research. Everyone gets all up in arms at the insurer, but nobody points fingers at the hospital or doctors who won't help people without the gaurantee of a huge paycheck.
Edited by Roy Linfred on 25 March 2010 at 9:53am
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