This thread needs more Rich Rice.

While I was not thrilled by the mandate to purchase Insurance, I've reached a point where I can tolerate it. More so, the entire issue is yet another example of Right wing hyperventilating. First the mandate for purchasing was a CONSERVATIVE idea courtesy of the Heritage Foundation during the last health reform debate.

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Someone last year ponted out that this bill was bipartisan - between the Democrats of today and the Republicans of 1994.

My logic is that all I know of Gingrich is foul and evil, so until I hear otherwise, I would believe new foul things said about him.

Like - if a person heard that Ed Gein ALSO screwed the corpses he dug up, a person wouldn't sniff self-rightiously that there's no evidence of it. That person would shrug and say "fair enough".

Is that right? Ehhh... But is it human nature?

That's where I was going with that. It wouldn't shock me, based on the man's beliefs and policies, that he did hold the positions that he was briefly attributed to. Further, the bit quoted above where someone said that he speaks in detail about it in his book? That sounds like more of the same pseudo-intellectual justification for racism, so I'm still not buying that he's got clean hands on this one.

Keep trying. Trying to shame me self-rightiously has worked so well for you in the past.

Why the need to also turn him into an opponent of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

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Okay, I'll stop short of that.  But that's exactly what he was referring to as the albatross around the Democrats neck.  So maybe he approves of it, but he sure doesn't mind opposing it to get bigot votes - and lying when he realizes that's what he's said out loud.

OJ also denies he did what he was accused of, and none of us were there to know for sure what happened, yet how many of you still find him guilty?

The Washington Post reports (with quotes by Gingrich):

>> [Gingrich said] ...the civil rights revolution of 1956-1965 was "morally absolutely necessary" for the country and Johnson was correct in pushing for the legislation. Other Johnson actions, he said, inflicted more damage to the Democratic coalition.

Johnson shattered his party, Gingrich went on to say, because he had "grotesquely overreached" in four areas: mismanagement of the economy, the failure in Vietnam, the cultural divisions that emerged in part over Vietnam and later civil rights initiatives. Johnson's mistake on civil rights, he said, was not in signing major legislation but in later getting ahead of the country by supporting school busing and failing to take a firmer stance against racial violence in the cities.

"If LBJ had done nothing on civil rights," Gingrich said, "he would still have been in trouble on the economy, Great Society big government, the counter culture and the war."<<

I am glad the state AGs filed.  This monster needs to be derailed.

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Never gonna happen. Just out of curiosity, have you actually read the bill?

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