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Donald Miller
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Liability Health insurance:
Is that for when you hurt another person?
Don
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Jodi Moisan
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Obama got elected, not by some fluke of him having a brother of a swing state, he was elected with a clear victory. The majority of Americans wanted him in office. He ran with the platform to overhaul the health care/ insurance industry. He did it and now we have the cry baby right filing suits in individual states to try and stop it. And at what cost will that be to the tax payers of each state? I have read several articles that they have a snowballs chance to actual stop this, that this is just merely a way to show the red states are pissed off.
So while they are rolling around on the floor kicking and screaming like spoiled children, we the taxpayers get to foot the bill.
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Joseph Gauthier
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Judicial review is an essential component of our governance. Every law must be able to withstand the rigors of all three branches of government.
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Michael Retour
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I am glad the state AGs filed. This monster needs to be derailed.
Gingrich ought to talk - he rammed through his Contract on America and what a nightmare that was.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
| Jason sez: " I don't believe Gingrich disagrees with civil rights legislation" And I sez: "Hello, Jason. You must be new to Newt Gingrich. Allow me to introduce you..." |
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I was talking specifically about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, not civil rights legislation in general. Gingrich says he does not disagree with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I think there are more than enough objectionable things in the viewpoints Gingrich actually publically endorses, without needing to accuse him of also secretly holding opinions he denies having.
Michael Penn wrote:
| Just for the sake of further accuracy, that wasn't my"correction" -- I merely quoted it verbatim from the NYTimes op-edpage. I'm certainly not siding with Mr. Gingrich on anything in thisdebate! |
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Sorry if I gave the impression I was quoting you, Mike!
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 24 March 2010 at 11:32am
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Joseph Gauthier
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I think there are more than enough objectionable things in the viewpoints Gingrich actually publically endorses, without needing to accuse him of also secretly holding opinions he denies having.
You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman.
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Mike O'Brien
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Ah, but Jason - aside from a hastily issued clarification, can we find anything that suggests that he does support it?
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Steve Horn
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I'd like to see any of those three guys running for President when Obama retires in 2016. +++++++++++++++++++ You meant to put down 2012 instead of 2016.
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Mike O'Brien
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Oh, ha ha - you haven't been following the news, have you?Obama managed to get Health Care for all Americans. Once people get over their fear and stick their toes in the pool they'll realize not only that it's awesome, but that the Republicans have been lying to them. It's over for Republicans. Obama would be President for life if it weren't for the 22nd Ammendment. This, by the way, is why Boehner was freaking out at the podium up there - he knew that the harsh light of truth was about to ruin all their plans. It truly is a great day in America.
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Joseph Gauthier
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Mike, I'd like to direct you to the former Speaker's 2008 book, Real Change; particularly the chapter on education reform. You probably won't agree with his arguments, but an honest reading of those arguments will leave you unable to assert an anti-civil rights stance on the part of Mr. Gingrich. The chapter (and book) in question, is a bit more complex than the single statement: I support civil rights legislation. But with just the slightest bit of inductive reasoning, you will conclude that the Speaker in sincere in his assertion that the legacy of unintended consequences springing from Great Society legislation has manifested as a vicious and indefensible assault upon the intended principles of civil rights legislation, and upon the universal values of the human spirit.
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Matt Reed
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Victor Rodgers wrote:
| Why the hell should I not be able to get to work because I cant afford insurance? If its that important then they should foot the bill... |
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Idiotic beyond measure. Driving is a privilege, not a right. If the state or country paid every single person's insurance bill, we'd be broke in under a year. Yes, more broke than we are now. Why? What incentive is there to drive safely if you don't have to pay for the repercussions? I get in an accident that's covered by state or federally paid insurance, big deal. Let someone else pay for it. You act as if it's your god given right to drive and when someone, god-forbid, puts restrictions on it to ensure that others don't lose their own means of transportation because you caused a wreck that totaled their car, then you scream that you can't get to work and that "the man" is keeping poor people down. Please. Your entire reasoning lacks any kind of coherent logic whatsoever.
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Kevin Brown
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You meant to put down 2012 instead of 2016. **************************** No, he got it right the first time. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It's over for Republicans. Obama would be President for life if it weren't for the 22nd Ammendment. ****************************** I don't know if it's over for the Republicans or not, but they're not going to be as successful as they thought they would be with all that's happened this week and currently happening in the Senate. Their games in the Senate are going to definitely doom them if they keep it up. Instead of acting like petulant little children, they need to suck it up and move on now. Oh, and as much as I like Obama, I seriously doubt even he could be "President for life". Let's get past 2012 first.... America can worry about 2016 then.
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