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Matt Reed
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 Victor Rodgers wrote:
The Democrats should crawl in a fucking hole and die.

I certainly hope that's hyperbole and not a true wish for an entire group of people to die simply because they passed a bill you don't agree with.

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To answer Geoff's question - what if your insurance won't pay? Then you can, thanks to this bill, easily and affordably switch to another insurance. Free market and all...

But that doesn't solve the problem of them denying coverage Mike  -- and I would wager thats a problem that more americans share than the inability to purchase insurance.  My point was I think this is a First Down -- not a touchdown. 



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But Geoff even a wonderfully formed butt, can't get him a pass. :0)

Glad to see your back, you have been missed.
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My mother was hit from behind by a person who had insurance, but because of state laws she was automatically in the wrong.
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Was she backing out of a parking space?

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Geoff, that's part of my concern as well.  People will be forced to buy insurance but the insurance companies may not necessarily pay for the particular treatment(s).

I'm for smaller government but it would provide some reassurance if there was actual regulation to prevent such incidents from still occuring and enforcement of those policies.

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My mother was hit from behind by a person who had insurance, but because of state laws she was automatically in the wrong.

Thats sounds like the opposite of most state laws!  Usually there is a presumption that the lead car was not at fault.  Although, as described here, the presumption may be overcome and the lead driver can be held liable.

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Glad to see your back

I thought thats what you said to Obama . . . . .

Just kidding, thanks.

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The reason I think it's a step in the right direction is pretty simple. I believe it's easier to change and add to an existing law, than it is to make a new one from nothing.

I just hope that this isn't the end and some real change occurs pronto.

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Geoff, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

Yes, Blue Shield can say, "no, we're not going to pay for your treatment." And as of last week, you were screwed.

But now, you have more freedom to shop around - Blue Shild tries to screw you, go to Aetna, or Blue Cross or Kaiser or whatever.

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My mother was hit from behind by a person who had insurance, but because of state laws she was automatically in the wrong.

Thatssounds like the opposite of most state laws!  Usually there is apresumption that the lead car was not at fault.  Although, as describedhere, the presumption may be overcome and the lead driver can be held liable.

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Geoff that was not the case. It was just just a run of the mill accident. But my mother did not have insurance and the other woman did.

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Geoff Gibson
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Geoff, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

Yes, Blue Shield can say, "no, we're not going to pay for your treatment." And as of last week, you were screwed.

But now, you have more freedom to shop around - Blue Shild tries to screw you, go to Aetna, or Blue Cross or Kaiser or whatever.

No I get that Mike.  And what I was speaking about, mostly, was payments of claims when you have insurance.  I understand that now one can buy new insurance after a denial and the "pre-existing condition" exclusion won't be applicable -- per se -- but I don't have any faith that insurers will do anything other than collect premiums.  

Don't get me wrong, I think its a decent first step, time will tell if its a good first step.

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"Somewhere in the White House Barack Obama's balckberry pings..."

Damnit Geoff!  Ice cold diet Coke burns when it comes out of the nose from laughter!

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