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Joseph Gauthier
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At the expense of the little guy. What is one real thing this bill accomplished?
It allows the Federal Government, for the first time, to force the American people to purchase a product. Those of you who are celebrating, that is what you're celebrating.
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Victor Rodgers
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| Posted: 22 March 2010 at 10:43am | IP Logged | 2
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I meant good thing. This proves who Obama supported all along.
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William McCormick
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Had we elected Ron Paul (or heck, Bob Barr), troops likely would've been home by now. ************ You have absolutely no way of knowing any such thing. It's just a way to put some blame on Obama.
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Eric Smearman
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Had we elected Ron Paul (or heck, Bob Barr) troops likely would've been home by now.
Proof, please.
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Gene Best
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| Posted: 22 March 2010 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 5
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"It allows the Federal Government, for the first time, to force the American people to purchase a product."
Isn't it the same with car insurance? Or is that a state thing?
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Gene Best
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" If I believed in conspiracies I would think Obama was in bed with insurances companies all along. "
Politicians in the pocket of big business? C'mon, that would never happen ...
I'm not suggesting that's the case, but I wouldn't label it a conspiracy in an X-Files kinda way. It's not unreasonable to think the insurance lobby had some (if not major) influence throughout the process.
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Eric Smearman
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| Posted: 22 March 2010 at 11:29am | IP Logged | 7
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Is there a state that doesn't require car owners to insure their vehicles?
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 22 March 2010 at 11:33am | IP Logged | 8
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"It allows the Federal Government, for the first time, to force the American people to purchase a product."
Isn't it the same with car insurance? Or is that a state thing? Its a state thing. But arguably, one doesn't have to buy auto insurance if they don't want to -- they simply don't own a car or drive. The concern here (not to me honestly but from what I've gathered) is that one must buy the insurance or they'll be penalized (effectively taxed) for failing to do so. I'm more troubled that the product* thats being sold is still defective. *And I am SO HAPPY that Joseph correctly called insurance a product! Its certainly not a contract! A contract requires performance and is generally negotiated. Who's here, in their personal lives, have really negotiated teh terms and conditions of their health insurance, homeowners or auto insurance? The sooner the public recognizes insurance is a defective product the better off we'll all be!
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Marc Foxx
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Insurance is regulated at a state level, at least as far as property & casualty or my industry (title insurance) is concerned. That's part of why coverages and rates vary so much from state to state (and why agents can only sell insurance in states where they have licenses).Edit for clarity.
Edited by Marc Foxx on 22 March 2010 at 11:36am
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Geoff Gibson
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Insurance is regulated at a state level, at least as far as property & casualty or my industry (title insurance) is concerned. That's part of why coverages and rates vary so much from state to state (and why agents can only sell insurance in states where they have licenses). And thats because Congress, in their non-existent wisedom, gave the insurance industry an anti-trust exemption in the McCarren-Ferguson Act.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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This is just more of the GOPs underhanded tag-team bullshit. Yeah, the ethics of THIS bill are questionable, because the GOP were making damn sure that an ethically defensible bill with universal government run health care was not going to happen. Lies, Lies, Lies to scare skittish blue dogs into toeing the line with the "RIGHTeous". So Obama cobbles together a Frankenstein monster of a bill to get the GOP on board as well as Blue Dogs and Insurance companies. And parts of it, like demanding people buy health care insurance when they probably can't afford it, are really bad. Know how we can fix the "monstrous government abuse" of THIS bill? The "Handouts to Insurance Companies"? Next time you're at the polls vote in a leftist democrat instead of a Republican or a Blue Dog. So that next time around you get a universal health care bill that puts the health insurance companies out of business, and covers everybody.
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Al Cook
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Anything on ice is immediately improved. Look at shuffleboard...
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