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Geoff Gibson
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I hate golf.

If they played it on ice you'd love it.

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Sure sounds like it Geoff. 
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Have to say im pretty disgusted. Democrats water this piece of shit down to nothing then celebrate like they accomplished something. If I believed in conspiracies I would think Obama was in bed with insurances companies all along. 
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"If there is no requirement to pay how is this bill, which mandates the purchasing of insurance, a bad thing for insurers?  Doesn't it mean they just got $30 million new customers to fuck over?"

Exactly Geoff!  Plus the drug companies get to extend their patents on new medicines, preventing cheaper generics from getting to the consumers sooner.  Insurance companies win.  Big pharma wins.  Obama gives Pelosi ets a pat on the back.  Consumers lose.

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The bill amounts to a huge handout to insurance companies.
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What this bill does, is regulate an industry that has had free range.

This article is how I feel right now.

Also I would like to acknowledge that as of March 20th we have now been in Iraq for 7 years.

The war has cost an estimated $860 billion
US Soldiers lost: 4,287
wounded: 30,182
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Well, Jeff, here's where I hold the GOP accountable.  I'm all for fiscal responsibility* but I think only an idiot would say we don't have a broken system for the payment of healtcare.**  And I think the main culprit in that is the unregulated insurance industry.  The GOP's idea of a national marketplace for insurance would be a helluva lot more appealing if there were national standards of what insurers can and cannot do.  But allowing citizens to purchase policies sold in other states, regulated by those states, would make any of the inevitable disputes that much more difficult to resolve, if not impossible. 

Did the financial crisis teach us nothing?  One of the root causes of that crisis was not the absence of regulation (separate and apart from deregulation which eased restrictions) it was not enforcing the existing restrictions on the books.  The House, to their credit, had a bill which removed the anti-trust exemption of insurers.  The Senate did not go for that so it was struck from the bill.***  My concern is this legislation will be seen a victory and the tools necessary to accomplish real victory -- forcing insurers to pay -- will not come to pass. 

I could be wrong, and I hope I am, but I doubt it.

*I know the CBO says the bill will reduce the defecit but I am suspicious of any bill that puts the burden of implementation of taxation on future congresses.

**And its the payment system thats broken.  The delivery is, for the most part, pretty good.  We have awesome Doctors and Nurses in this country.

***The senate also killed a provision of the House bill that mandated equal treatment for domestic partners when offered employer provided health benefits.  In other words, a gay committed couple would have to be treated the same way a straight committed couple would be.



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At this point I almost hate the Democrats more than the Republican. What is worse evil or cowards who enable evil?
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While I am all too aware that this bill comes nowhere near doing all that it should, and includes some sweet heart deals for the bad guys as well...I am still happy that the Dems did pass something.  If it means one more family gets insurance and doesn't need to take their child to the ER for a Fever of Unknown Origin...It makes me happy.

To be completely frank...I would prefer straight up Socialized Medicine...Medical Care for our nations populace should not be left to the whims of Profit Margin.

It looks like Obama had a few "Come to Jesus" meetings last week to get this thing through...let's see him fix that Don't ask Don't Tell BS next...and education reform.


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Also I would like to acknowledge that as of March 20th we have now been in Iraq for 7 years.

The war has cost an estimated $860 billion
US Soldiers lost: 4,287
wounded: 30,182

I'd like to note that nearly two of those 7 years have been under Obama's administration. Had we elected Ron Paul (or heck, Bob Barr), troops likely would've been home by now.

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and includes some sweet heart deals for the bad guys as well..

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At the expense of the little guy. What is one real thing this bill accomplished?
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"Had we elected Ron Paul (or heck, Bob Barr), troops likely would've been home by now."

O RLY?
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